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Carl Anderson

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My business (what to expect)
« on: November 04, 2011, 11:56:31 pm »
Hi guys.

This is my first post on this message board and I am after some advice if you could spare some time. I am in the process of starting up a carpet and upholstery cleaning service and would like to know a few things that are playing on my mind.

I have a reasonable budget of around £7k to start up including a cheap van plus enough cash to live on for a year approximately. I understand that what I am about to undertake will be hard work which I am used to and that I will have to make sacrifices in terms of pay to begin with. After doing some research on the net a machine at first seemed a minefield to get my head round but it just seems to be a matter of preference in terms of cleaning style although there are some essentails tools. I think I have got to a stage where I know what equipment I need and have appropiate transport and have done all the necessary essential things that a start up needs to do.

Anyway I have a few questions. I apologise if these have been asked thousands of times before  ::)

1. What is your enquiry to actual job ratio?
2. Roughly how many enquiries per thousand leaflets?
3. As a percentage how many of your customers tip?  ;D
4. Would you list prices on your literature? Why?
5. What percentage of your business payment is cash?
6. Do you try to re book customers immediately (on completion)? What is your success rate?

Thank you very much if you take the time to answer all or any of my questions. Average answers will go on my spreadsheet so I can number crunch.

neil 47

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 12:41:47 am »
1 depends if you quote on phone or vist . visit 90% phone 50%

2          2 to 3

3    15.5 %

4  no if you want a higher price  yes if you cant be arsed going out to quote

5  85%

6 no      0
IICRC

Colin Day

Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 10:15:53 am »
1 depends if you quote on phone or vist . visit 90% phone 50%

2          2 to 3

3    15.5 %

4  no if you want a higher price  yes if you cant be arsed going out to quote

5  85%

6 no      0

I disagree with number 3, I would have said about 14.9%...

JandS

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 10:29:03 am »
Me personally.

1 Phone quote 70%   visit quote 90%

2 5 - 6

3 Think I got about 3 tips last year so per job 0.9%

4 No every job is different in size, soiling, access etc just give them
a minimum price and a rough guide per room after that don't set it
in stone.

5 90%

6 No
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

wynne jones

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 10:38:44 am »
Whats important about having this information now Carl?
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Helen

Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 10:51:16 am »
can't see why number 3 and 5 are relevant ?

Colin Day

Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 11:28:36 am »
can't see why number 3 and 5 are relevant ?

It would be highly valuable information for a Tax inspector... :-X

Ian Gourlay

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 12:02:21 pm »
I know you want to do a business plan

If I do X it will give Y result etc

i just wish

Are you trained in marketing
Have you admin capacity to start databases do regular mailing write newsletters etc

How much Cash have you for Marketing or can you reinvest all your earnings

 My advise is to learn Marketing that is Small Business marketing. You could get to end of year and run out of money or your could be very rich.


Mark Lawrence

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 02:35:53 pm »
can't see why number 3 and 5 are relevant ?

It would be highly valuable information for a Tax inspector... :-X

My sentiments exactly, saw that imediately. Its easy to disguise information required with other questions. Or maybe Helen & me are paranoid ;D

Mark

james roffey

Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 03:31:51 pm »
Your not paranoid Mark, they are after "you"  :-X

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 03:49:47 pm »
Best bit of money you'll spend is on Training you'll save yourself more money in the long run.

Shaun

Jim_77

Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 04:05:54 pm »
Carl, do you currently work as a Data Analyst? :D

You'll find that although there are some common trends between different carpet cleaning businesses across the country, you will never get two identical sets of answers to those questions.

And I too am puzzled by questions 3 and 5, these should NOT be a concern for constructing a business plan!  Lots of customers pay "with cash" but that is a lot different from a "cash price" which as we all know is very naughty and none of us ever do it :)

As Ian says above, the factor that will make or break you is two-fold:

1) how good at marketing you can become
2) how good at selling you can become, once you get an enquiry.

It's no good being brilliant at making the phone ring but not converting those calls into jobs.  It's also useless being the world's best salesman if you've got nobody to sell to.  The two disciplines are intrinsically linked but are completely separate skills.

machines, chemicals, vans, etc etc... all incidental, unimportant things.  You just need to know a realistic budget for those.  I would get a van on HP to begin with which gives you an exact monthly budgeting cost.  £X.XX for signwriting

Spend about £4k in total on a decent second hand extraction machine, rotary machine (DO NOT buy these new) and all the associated tools & accessories (lots of job-lot kit for sale, you should be able to pick up most of what you need second hand)

Spend the rest on getting a logo/image/colour scheme for your company, a website and then whatever marketing to get you going.  Yellow pages might be a bit hit and miss in a big city like Sheffield; there's probably umpteen other carpet cleaners in it (and Shaun has the market sewn up anyway ;) ) so maybe take a punt on that in a year or two when you can spare £500 for a small ad (and it will be very small for than money)

Leaflets will always have some degree of success but it depends on the design, the offer, the "prospect quality" of area you deliver to and the timing to some extent.  Probably depends on how many other carpet cleaners do leafleting in the area too.  Also it's generally considered better to leaflet to (for example) 200 houses 5 times over at intervals of about 6 weeks, than to deliver them to 1,000 houses once only.  So, scaling that up, if you want to put out 10k leaflets a month, pick two areas of 10k houses roughly and alternate between them every month.

Oh and if you're planning to do a lot of leaflet delivering yourself, the Samaritans can be called 24 hours a day on 08457 90 90 90

They're good at talking people out of suicide

:)

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 04:17:55 pm »
TBH Chemdry are dropping leaflets like confetti round Sheffield I think they are suffering but it shows that it takes quite a bit of money to get work in even when you are that big.

Shaun

Jamie Pearson

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 07:30:07 am »
can't see why number 3 and 5 are relevant ?

5 is relevant if considering if taking card payments should be considered.


JandS

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 02:53:50 pm »
davep

Yes why is that good, I don't think it is personally.
Fiver all 3 times.

John
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

JandS

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 02:55:41 pm »
Sorry that's since start of year, easy to
remember there so few.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

wayne zabel

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 02:56:51 pm »
Jands did you really get 3 tips over the whole year?

Thats good for where he operates,dont you know how tight they are in Yorkshire ;D

davep

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 04:15:36 pm »
Thought they where tight!  Must get a tip a few times a week in sunny liverpool..

Custys must think i look poor  :P

JandS

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Re: My business (what to expect)
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 07:29:25 pm »
That's rich coming from someone from West of
the Pennines Wayne.
What do you charge for a 3 piece suite.....3 ducks
and a bag of salt!!!!!!!!!!!!
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.