[Steve_c]

What price do you put on your life? a fall from that height is only going to result in your death.

[Panorama]

Have you picked your epitaph yet, as you seem to completely ignoring all the advice on the thread

[bobby p]

Have you picked your epitaph yet, as you seem to completely ignoring all the advice on the thread

not at all Pano, im taking it all in ,and its all helping me find a way forward

 im now thinking that once i hear what the ballpark figure is (and if its not too low) ,i can then pitch in with my quote ,giving them the 2 options of WFP or the ladders ,or a combo of these.  

 the main thing is i dont want to dismiss the job out of hand ,that im out of my depth so to speak,later regretting it .

[ years ago,when i was a mechanic , i was asked over the phone  by  an American airman if i wanted to buy his old car as he was flying back to the States,dirt cheap if id tow it away from the Base carpark, and it was a Ford Mustang. i dismissed it as i was sure i couldnt even afford to fill it with fuel never mind tyres ,getting it registered etc -  later ,after he had flown home , i discovered it was a very rare Mustang,built as a sortof race model -  JEEESUS i was too late , and it had gone ]

[bobby p]

Well Bobby not trying to put you off, but if it is 3 monthly and you dont want it I would make it worth your while if you passed it my way.  

for sure id draw you in Dan,if i get a foot in the door there, so to speak  

 id think we may even  need uniforms so we didnt get booted round the back,i noticed theres a concierge wearing a uniform

[mike roberts]

Have you picked your epitaph yet, as you seem to completely ignoring all the advice on the thread

not at all Pano, im taking it all in ,and its all helping me find a way forward

 im now thinking that once i hear what the ballpark figure is (and if its not too low) ,i can then pitch in with my quote ,giving them the 2 options of WFP or the ladders ,or a combo of these.  

 the main thing is i dont want to dismiss the job out of hand ,that im out of my depth so to speak,later regretting it .

[ years ago,when i was a mechanic , i was asked over the phone  by  an American airman if i wanted to buy his old car as he was flying back to the States,dirt cheap if id tow it away from the Base carpark, and it was a Ford Mustang. i dismissed it as i was sure i couldnt even afford to fill it with fuel never mind tyres ,getting it registered etc -  later ,after he had flown home , i discovered it was a very rare Mustang,built as a sortof race model -  JEEESUS i was too late , and it had gone ]

er.. after all advice still thinking ladders .. seriously must b a joke... not being funny  but you wont be able to 'retire' from this job ..what £200 max  ... but you might if u come off the ladders 

[Pope vader]

dont listen to any one on here,  go do the job off ladders, someone falls  the hotel will blame you and you get to lose everything, 

[idealrob]

Just goes to show how many some people are still not upto date with law and regulations, Bobby, have you understand the WAHR, and tell the truth, if you fall from 4th floor what will happen ?
everyone at the funeral wil say its tragic, the inteligent ones wil say he was and idiot, and what he has done to his familly for £150

idealrob

[bobby p]

its in the lap of the gods whether i get it,or even whether i put in my bid.  i really do believe in fate , lets see what the word is on the big boys quote first


  im not a risk taker when it comes to safety i promise you, although i DO take risks on business decisions . its got me from Zilch and homeless , to now having a busy round with 2 employees in under 3 yrs . will av 4 by this time next year and this threads got me thinking i might buy a bigger van next year to carry a water tank for higher jobs

[Catherine10]

Bobby, sure new business, but please dont put anyone at risk - its just not worth it, pass it on to the guys in your area - to be honest its really not up for discussion, WFP versus ladder, just dont.  Let the guys with the poles deal with it, there is  no pre requisition any more for people falling of ladders.  Bobby just dont even risk it.  There is safer methods I think you will be hulling yourself into alot of trouble - best just leave it to ground level work  Big hotel = proper equipment

[rosskesava]

I thought that any ladder used over 9m had to be secured at the top and bottom and could only be used if there was no practical alternative even for short duration work.

I would have thought that time wise, it'd not be worth it anyway, regardless of the contract price, to use a ladder. If that was me, I wouldn't even consider using one for a job like that and I think anyone who does must be bonkers.

[bobby p]

awwwright,you lots pushed me so,,,   im gonna bite back----  the reason that theres so many windies now driving around is that the pole system has allowed the furry slipper folk WITH NO BOTTLE to dilute  the trade .

  FACT

[Frankybadboy]

awwwright,you lots pushed me so,,,   im gonna bite back----  the reason that theres so many windies now driving around is that the pole system has allowed the furry slipper folk WITH NO BOTTLE to enter the trade .

  FACT

thats right bobby you hit it on the head

[Panorama]

Have you had a lobotomy  , what a bizarre statement. Just to let you know I started window cleaning in 1983 working on public houses cleaning up to 2nd floor level , without ladder been footed. Jump forward nearly 30 years and I started cleaning again on the ladders , but only doing domestics, I then seen the light and went WFP . Bobby , there isn't a price on your life I'm afraid , your only here once, you need to take a step back and put in a price for the job,  but use it as a learning curve to develop your WFP skills. Once you have mastered the pole you will never look back and you will go onto bigger and better things

[wpclean]

It is a travesty that some genuine new starters looking for advice will look at these type of posts, and take the dangerous advice given, and could end up dead !  

[bobby p]

you ever watched the film "invasion of the bodysnatchers" ,?  well thats how some of you come over , preaching the new gospel, but youve got no life left in you,no spirit

 im forever hearing on here that,yes ,you earn more and boy isnt life easy these days ,but GOD isnt it boring now our minds are stale from using the pole  and then theres that huge gut that comes with it  too .

 dont worry, im in no hurry to go to sleep and be taken by you bunch of ghouls !!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIvH2dPolsM

[mark dew]

Regardless of faith in your ability to do the job off a ladder, it will become very obvious once you take a proper look - that doing 4th floor work off them is too time consuming to be worthwhile.
You could do 1 side wfp in the same time it would take to move a ladder for 6 windows at that height.
And if the job is worth much, you will also come to the conclusion that buying wfp kit for that height will profit you much more. It's a 1 man job with wfp, with a ladder you would need 2.
Anyway, the reality is that you won't be considered for the job if you don't have wfp.

[mike roberts]

awwwright,you lots pushed me so,,,   im gonna bite back----  the reason that theres so many windies now driving around is that the pole system has allowed the furry slipper folk WITH NO BOTTLE to dilute  the trade .

  FACT

Bobby,
Sorry, i apologise if my comments upset u . I should explain the majority of our work is roof cleaning / building cleaning not window cleaning , we do however finish all jobs with reach and wash, mainly we have found it saves time compared to trad.

In all of our services we try to operate as safe as possible. We clean roofs which other companies cant due to access nothing to do with 'bottle' just method we use. Hence same goes for window cleaning. For argument sake say they allow u to use ladders it will take u forever and a day using trad!

Why not use this opportunity if you have a foot in the door to use this job to pay for a basic reach and wash? thats what we did with a large building clean...
you can then utilise it on other jobs... Again no one is trying to preach to u this is a forum, guys and girls are just expressing their views no ones trying to offend, just trying to be professional and safe

Good luck all the best Mike

[bobby p]

cheers Mike -  i was tired when i wrote last night, thats what happens when you run a 100% trad round when youre not a young buck anymore !!

 and i agree with you,on the high jobs this WFP really does make a lot of sense- i guess i need to go out with somebody to a high job where the windows have not  been touched in yonks to fully convince me that it works well.

 its funny you mention that you do roof cleaning- in a town i work i watched a Polish cleaner pulling up big ladders while already standing at the top of a ladder , i didnt stick around to see how he got along on the roof but i wouldnt have been happy pulling up a double 13 rung while standing on top of another !  id think a better approach would be to use tower scaffold, not as quick though .

[Catherine10]

Bobby where are you based?

[bobby p]

live in Felixstowe , but i dont work here.  well, a few" felixstowions" have got on board as they see my van parked here