[bobby p]

im asking cos a friend of mine can wangle  me a job on a 100 room hotel,only its 4 floors .  my biggest ladder can go 3 floors and i use it  happily  but only on houses .  

 this jobs not my norm as i only do houses usually but im wondering if i hired a ladder it could be a goer.
  im just wanting to pick the brains of experienced laddermen , what do you charge?. the windows havent been cleaned in 8 months or more ,its a modern place

[Inside Out]

You're talking rope ladder there mate. A good 500 quid to buy. Cost you as much to get a little portable WFP system off of eBay.

[wpclean]

It would be against health and safety law to do the job with ladders.

[CLEANCARE WC]

THIS IS WHERE YOU BRING IN A FRIEND WITH WFP UP TO 60FT    LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT A HAND BOBBY.

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

It would be against health and safety law to do the job with ladders.

what drugs r u smoking fella
ladders aint against the law now nor ever will be

[bad trippy]

It would be against health and safety law to do the job with ladders.

what drugs r u smoking fella
ladders aint against the law now nor ever will be

Im not so sure Gavs,aint ladders banned over a certain height in our game?

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

no m8
not at all
 a ladder used safely is sometimes the
most effective tool we could use 

[bad trippy]

Stick a couple of Gardiners superlites on the end, and Bobs yer uncle 

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

THIS IS WHERE YOU BRING IN A FRIEND WITH WFP UP TO 60FT    LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT A HAND BOBBY.

bobby id take up the offer
unless yr greedy like me lol

[wpclean]

 please do a google search on working at heights and decide.     Best practice is protect yourself from harm and work within the law.

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

where in working at heights does it say ladders r banned ?

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

in lay mans terms my friend you
will find it reads use common sense
correct me if im wrong but no where does it say
ladders r banned , get back to smoking yr crack 

[wpclean]

where in working at heights does it say ladders r banned ?

Take a look at latest regulations and you decide. It is always good before offering advice to make sure you the advice is correct, and will be interpreted correctly.

A life is precious, and somone took your advice and died then how would you feel ?

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

if they were working for me
then they wud be highly qualified to carry out
window cleaning in all its variants ie ladders wfp
cradle bosuns chair cherry picker whatever
in the unlikely event of some one being fatally
injured working for me , then id deal with it
BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU ID BE WORKING THE NXT DAY
REGARDLESS , my bills dont stop , or neither will my children
stop eating , im sorry if anyone finds this out of order but life goes on  
did ocs go out of business when an employee was killed
after a fall fr heights working on a hsbc bank
the answer is no

[wpclean]

Wfp would be the only safe option to clean at that height, if you disagree then that is up to you.

[wpclean]

Wfp would be the only safe option to clean at that height, if you disagree then that is up to you.

And I hope you will never be able to employ because somone might die working for you, and there will be two grieving families 

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

i do employ
firstly my operatives r highly qualifed
secondly on any given job ie lets say a
royal mail building or a cheshire council building
or a school or hospital there is on site a safetly officer
on site
 or a building site or factory we have to have an induction
which covers safetly yeah
i also submit risk assecements n method statements
which implement our working pratices
and insurance details etc ,
but accidents do happen and complacencey breeds contempt
meaning iv done this a hundred times il be right .
anyone working for me or along side me knows
the buck stops with me , i control the jobs and stress how we
approach the work , but be it safely n proffessionally at
all times

[colley614]

I'm not saying do it or don't. I wouldn't myself or ask anyone else to work at that height from a ladder. I think the dangers are too great. On a health and Safety note I've copied this note.

'Duty holders must:

    * avoid work at height where they can;
    * use work equipment or other measures to prevent falls where they cannot avoid working at height; and
    * where they cannot eliminate the risk of a fall, use work equipment or other measures to minimise the distance and consequences of a fall should one occur.'

As someone pointed out a while ago on this forum. If you ended up in court because an employee had died the judge would ask if there was no other method to clean these windows. Straight away the water fed pole system would be brought up. Now if you were to argue that you couldn't afford one remember a judge would not let a gas engineer walk free if he had killed someone and then argued "I couldn't afford a corgi register." So I wouldn't presume I could tell a judge I couldn't afoord to buy a piece of safety equipment.

I would recommend though thinking about buying a small water fed pole system for this job if you are looking at seriously taking it on. It would be a massively safer and you would look so much more professional in my eyes. I imagine a hotel managers heart would stop if he came out to catch you 4 floors up in the air on a ladder. Plus imagine the difference in the reading of the risk assessment.

[bobby p]

using any method ,what would you say would be a ball park figure for a place like this?  no big  windows  far as i see (picture a  national budget hotel ).  the hotels already got a quote in from a big boy firm so i dont want to  put in a stupid looking quote.  
  my friend  can swing it so i get the job  but i dont want to ask what the other quote is as id look like a novice ! (im a hotel novice for sure but i do have a good ladderman works for me with much experience + i feel  i myself and my other lad would be ok at 4th floor as we"ve been ok at 3rd floor work at least once a week )  
  i think id price it as a 1 off clean ,to set the scene for the future .  

how do these national hotel chains pay?  in these hard times i dont want to be caught out ,paid late even ,could i say in my quote  its cash on completion ,paid by the front desk?

[bobby p]

THIS IS WHERE YOU BRING IN A FRIEND WITH WFP UP TO 60FT    LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT A HAND BOBBY.

cheers fella, might bring you and yer pole in on the 4th floor