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joshem

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Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« on: October 23, 2011, 04:53:05 pm »
Got my business account sorted. Gonna start collecting payments online next working month. How will I know which customers have paid by this method? Will I be emailed with their name and address each time or do their details show up when I log into my business account? I'm with HSBC by the way.

Thanks

Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 04:59:03 pm »
we have Barclays personal account. it just shows up on statements, online or paper. we ask that they put as their reference their address, and month clean, ie, 14 church street 22 Oct. this way easier to keep up with who paid when and for what. it normally shows their bank account name anyway, but obviously you might only have first name, partners surname, etc. then on our records when I tick them off as paid I write the date it went into bank on statement. I like paper trails....but then I'm anal lol

Lee GLS

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 06:20:51 pm »
just ask them to put house name and number as the refernce, much easier than them putting their name.

Davie T

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 06:23:09 pm »
Surname and postcode or Invoice No.

joshem

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2011, 06:46:03 pm »
I have never used personal online banking and so have never sent payment by BACS etc. Does the customer have a box they can put a reference into when they send monies then?

A@R WINDOWCLEANING

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2011, 06:52:14 pm »
i dont no about anyone else  but i have introduced BACS  for a couple of months now and for me it has been c**p ,about 50% of mine do this and they take there time even though i have (please pay within 7 days) on my slips my cash flow is terrible now ,i hope this is just a short term problem ,hope this doesn,t put you off .
ps.     i do have some that pay on the same day

A@R WINDOWCLEANING

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2011, 06:54:48 pm »
yes they do joshem.enough room to put address

AuRavelling79

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 07:27:03 pm »
i dont no about anyone else  but i have introduced BACS  for a couple of months now and for me it has been c**p ,about 50% of mine do this and they take there time even though i have (please pay within 7 days) on my slips my cash flow is terrible now ,i hope this is just a short term problem ,hope this doesn,t put you off .
ps.     i do have some that pay on the same day

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stuart mc

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 07:35:42 pm »
I put on the slips to use house number and street in the reference and it works well

Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2011, 07:46:03 pm »
i fine the few that pay by internet banking pay within a couple of day, instead of up to a month.

my mechanic put it on my last invoice for car repairs, i paid the same day.  he never wants cash when collects car, he says to pay anytime after getting invoice, i just forget or dont get around to.  great thing about internet banking is more chance of customer hopping online and doing it, instead of thinking, oh, i have to get cheque, where is cheque book.  oh where are envelopes.  oh where are stamps.   alot of ohs, o know, but thats customers for ya

Dave.

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2011, 07:49:02 pm »
You'll still get the ones that forget to put any reference in, and you'll be scratching your head to whose payment it is.
I've just opened a Santander account as Lloyds are charging too much -  and giving nothing and I know even after I've notified all the customers of the new account details there will still be the odd one or two who will try and send it to the old account

I wish the banks could send you a daily email to let you know there's  been credits too - paypal do

Dave

joshem

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 07:52:44 pm »
Yeah, none of the, "Oh, I haven't been able to get to a cash point (for the last 3 weeks)"  ???   ;D

Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2011, 07:58:39 pm »
got a friend who is with first direct.  he gets text message alerts daily on recent transactions.#

Also, even without a reference, it shows the account name.  so as long as you recognise the name from the account.....

Dave.

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2011, 08:33:25 pm »
got a friend who is with first direct.  he gets text message alerts daily on recent transactions.#

Also, even without a reference, it shows the account name.  so as long as you recognise the name from the account.....

Wish the others would follow

stuart mc

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2011, 08:36:16 pm »
I can sign up to text alerts with Bank Of Scotland, I just don't bother as I log on most nights to check

Paul Coleman

Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2011, 06:51:59 am »
Some general points here on some of the things that have been written in this thread about receiving BACS payments.  Obviously my comments are limited to my own experiences.
Santander do show the references these days - even to former Abbey customers. However, they totally lost my trust by taking 6 months to admit to the problem and another year to put it right.  Apart from a couple of jobs that I didn't get around to changing, all BACS payments go to another bank these days.  Santander's loss.

Right then.

1)  When receiving a BACS payment, only supply the customer with a reference that stays the same (I use house number or first 4 digits of house name + postcode).  No invoice numbers.  No dates.  This is because if a customer has to alter any small detail to send by BACS, they usually have to set up the entire payment from scratch - a hassle for them.  There are good reasons for this.  If an account gets hacked, a common way to syphon off funds is by altering the sort code/account number on an outgoing BACS payment to an account to which the fraudster has access.  Therefore, when a new BACS payment is set up, the bank insists on independent verification that it is legit.  Some banks supply a card reader.  Some supply a token that generates random numbers.  Some supply a random number by text.  If you make a customer alter a detail each time they pay you, they will have to go through this process every time.  This means that they probably won't pay you by BACS.

2)  Do not rely on recognising the customers' surnames. Apart from surnames seldom being unique, some banks display a truncated entry which can mean that you don't get to see it.  Indeed I know of one bank (IF - Intelligent Finance) who seem to show a random string of characters rather than the customers' names - though the reference is intact.  I don't know of any others that do this but there may be some out there.

3)  Use unique identifiers on the reference.  Even number + roadname is not unique.  Although very unusual, I have had customers at the same address (e.g. 1 Acacia Gardens) but in different towns.  Usually there will be something else that is different between them such as name or amount paid - but this can't be totally relied upon.

In spite of all this and giving out a pre-printed form containing their unique reference, I still have a couple of custies who put "Windows" as the reference.  So I sometimes wonder why I bother.  Fortunately, they have different surnames (they use banks that display them) and the amounts are different.  So you can get away with it so long as it's only a few and you make a note of it.  Usually I can remember these things but sometimes not.

Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2011, 07:28:09 am »
good points Paul. 1 discrepancy tho, Barclays use a card reader to set up new payment, but have option of saving payee so that don't need to setup from scratch every time, but can pick option of paying with different reference.

that apart, a nicely summed up answer. a lot depends on size of your customer base. however you do it, just be sure to keep ontop of records of whose paid, etc.

Roy Harding

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Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2011, 08:25:32 am »
we have Barclays personal account. it just shows up on statements, online or paper. we ask that they put as their reference their address, and month clean, ie, 14 church street 22 Oct. this way easier to keep up with who paid when and for what. it normally shows their bank account name anyway, but obviously you might only have first name, partners surname, etc. then on our records when I tick them off as paid I write the date it went into bank on statement. I like paper trails....but then I'm anal lol

I will second that  ;D ;D ;D

Roy

Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2011, 09:44:13 am »
apparently it 'runs' in the family old boy. no, hold on, your just an arse! ;) nope, got it wrong again, your full of cr@p!  I know there's a similarity there somewhere, was sitting on toilet letting one go, and something reminded me of you.....can't quite put finger on what!

I've never been banned from window cleaning forum b4...... ill send u a card! :-\

Paul Coleman

Re: Receiving Bank Transfer Payment
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2011, 09:45:56 am »
good points Paul. 1 discrepancy tho, Barclays use a card reader to set up new payment, but have option of saving payee so that don't need to setup from scratch every time, but can pick option of paying with different reference.

that apart, a nicely summed up answer. a lot depends on size of your customer base. however you do it, just be sure to keep ontop of records of whose paid, etc.

Well good on Barclays.
They have obviously seen the need for some people to pay by using invoice numbers without having to redo from scratch.
The only time I have got a customer to redo the reference was when they moved - as my references are based on address/postcode.
Of course the other thing is that when offering to receive BACS payments, it's probably better to get the customer to set it up in a way that is recognisable coming from the most awkward bank.  Until everybody does it Barclays' way, that unfortunately means a fixed, unique reference for me.  I wish that all banks did it Barclays' way as I would prefer to receive commercial payments by invoice number and to make payments to other companies by their invoice numbers.