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Ant C

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Entry level system
« on: September 29, 2011, 04:37:28 pm »
Hi everyone.

I'm considering adding window cleaning to my business, but struggling with what equipment I actually need for a water fed pole system.

Can someone tell me what sort of price an entry level complete system would be? and what system would be the best to start off with?

I've looked through ebay but don't know what is actually needed (not familiar with WFP jargon)

I can't afford to stump up £000's - Ideally looking at a relatively small start up then add as it grows.

Thanks.

Tom White

Re: Entry level system
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 04:43:55 pm »
A backpack on a trolley would be the simplest way to start up; you can work from a car.

You'll need (roughly)

A backpack
Small trolley
Pole with brush and hose
5 x 25 litre barrels
RO/DI unit (to purify your water)
Two 200 litre water butts
A stand to put your water butts on to fill your barrels with.

You could get all this for under £600 I reckon; but keep an eye out on e-bay for people selling stuff.

Llaaww

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 05:02:52 pm »
Why not just buy a good pole and hose, and wash stuff from the tap for a while.

With a di vessel you could wash with tap water then rig up the di vessel for rinsing.

it would still be a couple or three hundred quid, but it would give you a feel for the job, and you could be using it to pay for whatever else you then want.

You need to find out the tds levels in your local tap water.

http://www.ozelink.com/tds_meters/what_is_tds.htm

Then you can work out how much filter resin you will use.
if it is dirty it is fair game

Ant C

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 05:13:38 pm »
Tosh.

What is the back pack for? Don't you run the pole from one of the 25 litre barrels.

Am I right in thinking that you purify the water into the 200L tank in the van then transfer that water to a 25L butt to have on a trolley that you can keep near you. The 25L butt would then need just a pump system for the water.

Or does the 25L trolley unit have the filtration system as part of the unit.

Tom White

Re: Entry level system
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 06:06:39 pm »
The backpack really is a slightly modified crop sprayer, but it works.  It holds about 16 litres and fits in a car nicely; right behind the passenger seat in the footwell.

You can buy trolley systems where you put a 25 litre barrel of water on it, stick a tube into the barrel and off you go.

There's pros and cons with each.  The trolley systems can be quite heavy even without the water, and may not be suitable for a car.  For example, you'll have to put it in your boot; and then to get it out - if you still carry ladders - you may have to take the ladders off the car first.

With working from a car, I prefer backpack to trolley (I've used both).  With working from a van, I prefer 100 meters of microbore.  I don't really rate trolleys 'cos I never got on with mine (Cleantech trolley 25 to 50 litre one).

Personally, if you can, dig deep - borrow - and get a van system; but we worked quite effectively for a number of years using a back pack; me doing tops only - or anything awkward, leaded or georgian; and Wor Lass tradding the ground floor/insides.

R W C™

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 06:09:31 pm »
I've got a backpac for the odd job but it would do my head if I only used that.

Blue Frog Systems

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 07:38:23 pm »
did 9 months with a backpack & 25L barrels

Whats you water tds ?
Only those who risk going too far will truly know how far they can actually go

Ant C

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 08:02:46 pm »
whats you water tds? - what does that mean.

Am I right in thinking the back pack system is just a water tank that you connect to a water fed pole and pump it or battery powered?

How or where do you purify the water?

R W C™

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 08:03:48 pm »
Whats your budget mate.

Llaaww

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2011, 08:20:00 pm »
whats you water tds? - what does that mean.

Am I right in thinking the back pack system is just a water tank that you connect to a water fed pole and pump it or battery powered?

How or where do you purify the water?

http://www.ozelink.com/tds_meters/what_is_tds.htm
if it is dirty it is fair game

Ant C

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2011, 08:22:34 pm »
Budget probably in the region of £300-£500.

I don't want to over commit to spending a fortune then go and find work to justify it. I'd rather buy the equipment to justify the work.

I don't mind it being harder work to start or take longer to clean. Happy to sacrifice time at the moment.


mac74

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2011, 08:23:01 pm »
Do you already have a van?

Ant C

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2011, 08:23:52 pm »
No idea what my TDS is

Ant C

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2011, 08:24:15 pm »
yes I have a van

mac74

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2011, 08:58:38 pm »
Theres a few options u have - 1st the cheapest WFP setup (as tosh said above) is a backpack (80psi pump with 12v 12ah batt inside) £150 / 22 ft gardiners clx pole & brush inc pipe £160 / 8 x 25l barrels = 200l £60 (to fill up backpack) - Next if u dont want to spend say £300+ on a water filter sys (which would be slow) you could try to source water from another reach and wash windy in your area (try the book), if your not working his area it should be ok, aim for 4p a litre. 2nd  if work picks up go van mount asap -350l tank £150 / hose + reel £150 / strip backpack 4 pump and batt ( or parts are £70 if bought sep ) / pole and brush as above and filter the water yourself - your head will be spinning with it all for a while but once u find your feet u'll be ok  ;)

Ant C

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Re: Entry level system
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2011, 09:11:36 pm »
Thanks for the responses.

I'm a bit closer to understanding the process and equipment.