[bobby p]

im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
 this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count  .   i have  heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness  so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
  i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so  id like to hear about it .

[Frankybadboy]

human rights

[paul middleton]

if you think thay are taking drugs get rid of them

[Pope vader]

you are allowed to drug test workers, as long as its in the contract and its not over done,  ie every day,  once a month is usually fine,  if they got nothing to hide then its is ok,

[the bfg]

im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
 this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count  .   i have  heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness  so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
  i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so  id like to hear about it .

maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about,   was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ?   your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation

yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special

[sam125]

 

[bobby p]

im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
 this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count  .   i have  heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness  so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
  i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so  id like to hear about it .

maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about,   was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ?   your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation

yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special

i guess you do a bit of drugs yourself then?  you dont know me and i dont know you so dont cast aspertions. What i do know is that drug taking is very common nowadays and its illegal because its dangerous.  i dont boss anybody about,im just wanting a worker that turns up and works normally ,not too much to ask

[H S and Son]

maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about,   was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ?   your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation

yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special

I think this post is closer to the truth than the OPs opinion of his workers is likely to be.

Cut them some slack, you'll be on here moaning about them again, which you seem to do quite often, and how they've all buggered off/don't treat you with the respect you obviously deserve/make snide comments about you/gossip round the corner then shut up when you suddenly sneak up on them; etccetera etcetera etcetera.

[BORBRYCE]

Bobby, you need to come of the weed and come down to Earth. Drug testing a windie is never going to happen. They are not paid enough to bother about you or what you think of them mate.

[H S and Son]

On a purely curious note, how do you intend to test your workers for cannabis, heroin, ecstacy, speed, meths or any one of the numerous types of street level mind and mood altering substances available?


Have you thought of searching them?   

[SB Cleaning]

Its never going to work, drugs stay in your system for a while if one of your employees wants to have a smoke or line out of work that's up to them!

You will never know by a test kit if they are taking drugs at work get a grip

[bobby p]

theres 9 in 1 tests , cheap enough online

but im now not sure if im going to buy any,youve made your point

from now on im only going to employ non smokers, thatll rule out the weed boys

[Tom White]

I was under the threat of compulsory drug testing for years in the army; it was introduced when I was about 20 years old and everyone my age was taking Es and speed.

It never bothered me though, 'cos I could just as effectively impair myself with that 100% legal drug called alcohol.

I'd say if your employees aren't up-to-scratch, just keep on finding new ones.  It's got to be an employers market out there, these days.  I hear the Eastern Europeans work hard too!

[Paul Coleman]

im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
 this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count  .   i have  heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness  so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
  i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so  id like to hear about it .

Is the drug alcohol included in the test - or are drugs that are easy to tax (and therefore legal) excluded by the kit manufacturer?  What about prescribed medicines?  Would a worker who temporarily needs anti-depressants be sacked?  What about someone on painkillers due to RSI possibly caused by working too hard?  Would the test differentiate between legal and illegal painkillers?  What about legally prescribed methadone - a legitimate painkiller but also prescribed to wean someone from heroin?

Not being funny but potentially, there is a massive minefield waiting for you if you go down the testing route.  It really isn't as simple as it's legal so it's OK and it's illegal so it isn't.  It could throw up many anomalies such as:  Employing a methadone addict who is a bit of a mess but because he has a legal prescription it is OK OR sacking someone who smokes an occasional joint out of work hours, isn't really involved in the drug culture, but just likes a little extra at the occasional party and his work isn't affected.  It is illegal though.  Also, cannabis stays in the system a lot longer than most drugs so you could be sacking someone for having a joint while on holiday several weeks beforehand.

You really do need to think this through if you want to avoid legal action - or is it the case that no-one would dream of working for you for more than a year so would not accrue any unfair dismissal rights?

EDIUT:  While I was writing this I see you have decided not to to the testing.  I think that is a good choice.  If someone isn't up to the job, you can sack them anyway.  Drug users don't have a monopoly on laziness and lateness so to narrow it down to them would probably not be a good idea anyway.

[the bfg]

im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
 this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count  .   i have  heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness  so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
  i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so  id like to hear about it .

if I got through 6 workers in a short space of time I would be looking at what I may be doing wrong,   am I treating them fairly ?  am I paying them a decent wage ?   am I giving them time to pick the job up ?      am I building up their confidence and make them feel part of the team or am I knocking their confidence and making them feel isolated ?

yes its true we dont know each other but one thing I have experience of from previous careers is managing a large team,    yes there are those that are lazy and there are those who lack confidence but its how you deal with them which counts.

I had people who I knew smoked the odd joint and liked to go out on the razzle through the week but that dont make them bad people.     making them feel wanted and part of the team is what gets the best out of them.

treat staff with respect and you get it back,  treat them like crap and they perform to that level.



would be intersting to hear what your ex workers say on the matter.

















maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about,   was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ?   your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation

yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special

i guess you do a bit of drugs yourself then?  you dont know me and i dont know you so dont cast aspertions. What i do know is that drug taking is very common nowadays and its illegal because its dangerous.  i dont boss anybody about,im just wanting a worker that turns up and works normally ,not too much to ask

[windiewasher]

You can't just drug test people Willy nilly.I used to be a manager in a previous job where we used them.
 We had to call a doctor to do the test at 350 quid a time.even then you suspend them and offer councelling.
 Your a window cleaner not a multi billion pound business.

[Tom White]

I don't think it's such a bad idea.  At an interview you could ask..

"Do you take illegal drugs or drink to excess during the working week?"

If the reply is "No", then what's wrong with asking,

"Well, would you be concerned if I asked if you would submit to a random drugs test?  Only that I've had problems in this area in the past with employees, and I'm looking for someone who takes care of their physical fitness...".

I don't see a problem with that.  I wouldn't want to employ anyone who takes drugs or drinks to excess either, because they can be a pain in the bottom.  I know I was.

I'd probably not want to employ a smoker either.

[bobplum]

theres 9 in 1 tests , cheap enough online

but im now not sure if im going to buy any,youve made your point

from now on im only going to employ non smokers, thatll rule out the weed boys

then your sued for discrimination

[Tom White]

theres 9 in 1 tests , cheap enough online

but im now not sure if im going to buy any,youve made your point

from now on im only going to employ non smokers, thatll rule out the weed boys

then your sued for discrimination

You can still discriminate on many grounds; one major one is someone's level of intelligence for example.

And even though it could be illegal to sack someone on 'certain grounds', it's easy to gerrymander situations where you can sack them on 'legal grounds'. 

It's Bobby's business; it's up-to-him who he employs; and I kind of agree with him.  Why employ someone who takes drugs when you can employ someone who doesn't?

[H S and Son]

one major one is someone's level of intelligence for example.

D'you think that explains why Ive ended up working for myself?