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Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« on: September 04, 2011, 10:18:07 pm »
cant make my mind up!!!!!

i know most say slx range but im not sure yet!!

Dougaldum

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Re: elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2011, 10:20:25 pm »
cant make my mind up!!!!!

i know most say slx range but im not sure yet!!
buy the lot

Slash

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Re: elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 10:28:09 pm »
I've tried the Grafter plus pole at the Ionic road show in Guildford,the normal Grafter is crap,I mean the bend on it ,you could scratch your back with it,cheap but crap,however the Grafter Plus is completly different,it's a mix of carbon and glass fibre and is a really good pole for the price and the closed down lenght is impressive at 32 feet,it closes down to four to five feet I remember or there abouts,did order one but got fed up waiting after two months and cancelled to get an Elite 30 foot pole,fully carbon manufactured and a great pole and was cheaper than the Ionics Grafter Plus pole I originally went for,so rigid and light,as for the SLX,I really can't compare as I never used one but by reading the reviews on here,they are the best of the best poles you can buy!

s.w.c

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Re: elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2011, 10:53:37 pm »
cant make my mind up!!!!!

i know most say slx range but im not sure yet!!

forget them go for the extreme pole its the daddy, mine is a complete joy to use its unbelievable.

the bfg

Re: elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2011, 03:58:29 am »
forget thr grafter and go for the Glyder pole by Ionics as its the best pole out there bar none

Daniel12

Re: elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2011, 06:36:02 am »
After using the slx its only my opinion but there isnt enough glue used on the clamps which is frustrating as the actual pole is very gud they say they sorted but a mate bought one recently and it happened again so keep that in mind when buying and facelift also do very gud poles. But you would need to look at yhe price as they cost more but otherall both very gud poles. most would disagree but i prefer the facelift poles as they seem to be better quality.

Mike #1

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Re: elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2011, 06:49:51 am »
Elite pole mate fantastic very close second to slx in terms of lightness and rigidity ,  and the clamps are fastened on via nut and bolt assembly so no risk of glue failure , Had mine over 5 months now use it everyday no complaints ,  apart from end caps are rubbish but thats a minor detail.   MIKE

ian1972

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Re: elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 07:48:17 am »
If I was going for another full carbon pole again I would use gardiners as customer service is second to none,quick delivery and support when u need it.

Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2011, 07:35:57 pm »
Im the same mate, cant make my mind up.

I know most on here are huge fans of Gardiners but Im put off by the clamps coming loose, Ive also here the stop ends jam on the clamps too, is that the case? what are the stop ends made of? Ive seen some of the Gardiner brushes too, they seem to wear abit to quick for my liking.

Problem is, time is money, if you have got to mess around for half a day with clamps etc, thats half a days turnover lost.

Ive used a Gylder for the day, nice pole, but expensive. Im currently using the ergolite, but its time for retirement now, Ive had them for at least 4 years, they are built to last, brushes are well made too. I would like to see the Grafter plus, sounds like a nice pole.

The elite pole I havnt a clue about.

Regards

Simon

Mike #1

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2011, 08:19:05 pm »
good customer service from the water fed pole company ELITE pole and speedy delivery , got texts before delivery

matthewprice

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2011, 08:22:30 pm »
used the glyder for two years and it is a pole made to last,old style of clamp let it down,got three slx much lighter had two for six months no probs with the clamps.brushes showing very little ware :)

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2011, 08:23:38 pm »
I haven't a clue about Ionics poles, but I have used an SLX and an Elite pole side by side.

Both are fantastic poles,.. my personal preference is the SLX because its lighter and has a shorter closed length. The Elite is more rigid (you only notice it with a heavy brush) and a little cheaper, but its weight is similar to the CLX range.

Whichever you choose, it'll be worth every cent!

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2011, 08:36:06 pm »
I've had a slx25 since they were first released (approx 4 years). It got used & abused every day for all that time with zero issues, including clamps.

I've just replaced it with another slx25 which is even better! Lighter, slimmer base diameter & just as rigid! This also gets used & abused every day & has given me zero issues. :)

I also have an Xtreme 48 which is the muts nuts & also has zero clamp issues.

I've had every super-lite brush & now only use Xtreme brushes, also zero issues! ;D

The choice of poles is now better than ever before so you shouldn't end up with a piece of rubbish whichever you choose. I would base your choice on statistics (weight, length, closed length, rigidity, base diameter etc) & general opinions of experienced users. For me, the stats, backed with industry leading customer service send me to Gardiners. The difference in price isn't great enough for me to settle for anything less! ;)

s.w.c

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2011, 10:15:24 pm »
yes top quality customer services is most important for me, so Gardiner win that for me and have used them for 5years plus, :)


jouk45

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2011, 05:50:10 am »
after 2 years of use, 1 clamp came loose on my sl-x , only took a few mins to glue it back on,  so considering, that is minor for 2 years of regular usage,

Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2011, 07:16:55 am »
yep gonna start buying all my poles from gardiners now because the customer service is so good . it does need to be tho . funny ive never needed customer sevice with my elite .  lets hope something goes wrong with it ;D ;D ;D

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2011, 08:12:10 am »
The SLX clamp problems seem to be getting exaggerated here,.. if its 1 pole in 50 that has issues it a lot!

The Elite clamps don't have the same issues its true,.. but then the Elite clamps are 3X the size so you end up with a longer closed pole.

Alex Allen

Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2011, 10:43:24 am »
If different forum members keep posting problems about the clamps, is it an exaggeration?

Gardiner's claim 1% of clamps have problems, that would mean for every 1,000 clamps, 10 clamps would fail, or one clamp in about every 200 poles

i know someone with 3 Gardiner's poles, all 3 have had clamp problems, he wouldn't liked to told he was exaggerating

Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2011, 11:18:17 am »
What do Gardiners use on the SLX to stop you over extending the pole.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Elite vs slx range vs crafter poles ...
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2011, 01:09:48 pm »
If different forum members keep posting problems about the clamps, is it an exaggeration?

Gardiner's claim 1% of clamps have problems, that would mean for every 1,000 clamps, 10 clamps would fail, or one clamp in about every 200 poles

i know someone with 3 Gardiner's poles, all 3 have had clamp problems, he wouldn't liked to told he was exaggerating

Hi again "Alex." or whoever you really are  ;D You always have such a keen interest in our products  ;D

To give an accurate picture of %.

About 6 months ago we were having about 3-4% poles with a gluing issue - so for every 1000 poles sold 30-40 would have some kind of issue. Unfortunately for some clients these would often bunch together from the same batch so if  a client ordered more than one pole from those batches they may well experience multiple problems.

From the batches sold about 2-3 months ago the problem is down to just under 1% of poles affected - so for every 1000 sold we have found about 10 poles have had some kind of issue.

For the current batches being sold the issue is down to about 0.25% of poles affected - so far every 1000 sold we are getting about 2-3 poles affected.

Many of these gluing issues only happened after several months of hard use and yet we have always rectified the problem for a client.

It would be great to have a product that had zero chance of a defect, but in reality with manufacturing this is rarely possible. We have worked very hard over the last 6 months to eradicate this issue for our clients and it has paid off. The current figure about 0.25% is very, very small, but we still feel that it can be improved on which is why we have introduced some new techniques on the assembly line to try and get this down to about 0.1%.

Having spent many years previously retailing X-Tel poles we found that these poles usually had about 1-2% fault rate (unglued clamps, jammed section, cracked clamps etc.) so I think that we are now probably well below industry average in problem rate.

This is something I take very seriously as it has affected some potential clients perception of the product and has caused inconvenience to some of our current clients. Hence the time spent behind the scenes in the factory to ensure this becomes a thing of the past.