[james roffey]

I had to clean a low profile carpet in a coffee shop it was covered in spillages and had never been cleaned before i decided to spray some M Power and bonnet clean it to see what the results were and if needed HWE it.
After using my rotary it looked ok not all the spots and stains had come out but i was not convinced that extraction would not  improve it, well the water that came out after extraction was the filthiest i have ever seen, it was like ink and the carpet looked much better, am i doing something wrong as i know that some on here swear by this method i have yet to achieve a result i was happy with unless it is very lite soiling, i am doing another job soon where i got my first call back it was a low profile that i HWE and a coffee stain wicked back i want to bonnet clean it this time but want it to look clean as well.
 

[Chris Hawkes]

Bear in mind my limited experience with bonnetting but I thought Fusion Clean would have been the solution to use from Solutions rather than M Power.  In the act of bonnetting the M Power you were probably just agitating it (and giving some good dwell time)  hence the good results with the later extraction.

Chris

[derek west]

james, as far as i'm concerned, bonneting is a maintenance clean, done on a regular basis to keep the carpet looking okay after it has been professionally hot water extracted.

[james roffey]

The guy i brought the rotary equipment from who was packing up after many years just using this method said in his experience that M Power was the best product he had found, he gave me some Fusion clean that he had left over after trying it and i compared the results between M Power and Fusion clean and the results were the same, fusion clean had a nice smell though

[peter maybury]

With bonneting you are only going to remove a limited amount of soil basically what come into contact with the bonnet.
I do bonnet on commercial jobs but only after extraction. I have tried for years to achieve results that I am happy with just by bonneting but the closest has been with texatherm, but still cannot get the same result as hwe then bonnet.

Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

[D Ingram]

Guy's bonneting is like any other facet of this industry if you work long and hard enough you'll get there in the end its a matter of playing with the products and finding the ones that work for you.
There is a trade off though?
When you get good at it you begin to wander why you spent  thousands of pounds on truckmouted equipement!!!!!!!!!

[Linds Russell]

Try Chemspec Roto Brite II. I believe it bonnet cleans and can remove coffee stains in the process.

Jamie from CSUK should be able to add more on that one.

Linds

[Steve Rothwell]

so does m power if you do not try to mix it too strong, and leave it to dwell a short while (at least 20 mins)

I agree with Dave, I get very very good results with bonneting, and use all solutions stuff eg fusion clean, hd and m power.

[Simon Gerrard]

There is no doubt that LM works in certain circumstances, but no means all, the trick is knowing where to use it where not to, the case in point seems to point to the latter.

Simon

[Steve Rothwell]

That is a very fair assesment Major.

Are you mellowing a smidgen in your dotage 

[markpowell]

james, as far as i'm concerned, bonneting is a maintenance clean, done on a regular basis to keep the carpet looking okay after it has been professionally hot water extracted.

Well said Derek

[D Ingram]

This could turn into a whole nights debate!

All I can say is I can buy signwriting brushess at my local art shop but this does'nt make me a signwriter.
Conversley owning a ratory does not make me a good padder as I said earlier it takes time and a lot of effert to get good at it. 

[Simon Gerrard]

Hector,
Not at all
There have always been a variety of methods of cleaning carpets, LM is only one of them, but it's knowing which method to use in different circumstances.
I agree with Derek's statement because in most circumstances extraction cleaning produces the most thorough result.

Simon

[Simon Gerrard]

Dave,
Not matter how good a padded you are, LM still has it's limitations and that is where people using only LM come unstuck. The majority have LM as one of many ways of getting a carpet clean.
Simon

[D Ingram]

Your leaving out the most important part here Simon!

a, What the customers looking for

b, What they are prepared to pay

Most of the time the commercial client is only looking for a clean carpet, wants it to dry quick and don't want to spend much.

The domestic market is a whole different ball game here it can be any method we have at our disposal.

[peter maybury]

I would like to get good at padding but as I have said before the method that most impresses me is the texatherm.
Nothing I have seen comes close but in reality you can only clean about 6 sq mtrs with a pad. I only have about 30 pads so to tackle large jobs you have to go to the trouble of rinsing out the pads in between cleaning. If I was that convinced that it would give better results than hwe I would happily invest more into the pads. So it is just easier for me to start up the truckmount then put the bonnet over afterwards.
Peter
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[Jamie Pearson]

In my opinion you really need an encapsulating product to get best results from bonnet cleaning. Been doing it 17+ years now. Current favourite is Rotobrite 2.

[Jamie Pearson]

in reality you can only clean about 6 sq mtrs with a pad

In what kind of environment/carpet type?

[D Ingram]

Peter I do not doubt your ability we all know that HWE is far far better than pad cleaning but as Simon say’s there is a time and place for the pad system and not all carpet responds to padding. It’s having the experience to know when and what to use when quoting the work. Most on here will talk about padding being a maintenance system I have padded carpets that have been very dirty and yes the job has turned into a maintenance job thank you very much. Had I of HWE in the first place these jobs would have been annual jobs by annual at best but because I padded they turned into quarterly jobs. Again as I have always said it’s all about what the customers looking for. For many years I tried to sell what I thought everyone needed instead of listening to what they wanted. I tell you its far easier selling something they want rather than what I think they need!

[Simon Gerrard]

Your leaving out the most important part here Simon!

a, What the customers looking for

b, What they are prepared to pay

Most of the time the commercial client is only looking for a clean carpet, wants it to dry quick and don't want to spend much.

The domestic market is a whole different ball game here it can be any method we
have at our disposal.

Agree with that Dave, but that kind of makes my point. If you're looking to serve the whole market and not just commercial offices with low profile carpets then you have to have a number of methods at your disposal to cope with a far wider variety of carpets and soil conditions.
Simon