Therefore the term Carbon Composite, if so desired, can be used to refer to either a carbon/matrix mix or carbon/glass/matrix mix or indeed even a carbon/boron/matrix mix- it is entirely up to the person describing the product to decide how to use this phrase. What does need to be done therefore is to clarify what the mix is. Obviously all carbon fibre poles have to have the matrix otherwise they would be not be usable. Therefore in common parlance, when defining the composite being referred to, just the fibre components are usually listed.
No, your simply wrong.
If you talk to anybody in the engineering world about composites, they are talking about glass fibre, and carbon fibre, and a mix of the two. If you google "composite suppliers" the result is companies that supply glass fibre, carbon fibre, etc etc. The word "composite" applies to both. That is what composites are, plain and simple.
The way you incorrectly use the term "composite" is as if it only applies to poles that are glass and carbon fibre mix.
For example, on your website you talk about your "CLX composite pole" as it is a mix of glass and carbon fibre. But your other poles are just described as "carbon poles". I also notice that you don't describe this pole as having a carbon-glass fibre mix, just "composite", probably because you thought that the word "composite" means that. i am telling you it doesnt.
This causes confusion, and personally I think you didn't know that the word "composite" applies to all poles, not just those with a glass and carbon mix, until I just pointed it out.
Morning Nick
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No you are wrong!!!!
As we have been producing (not buying off-the-shelf) poles now for several years I am fully aware of the terminology that is used and how it is 'generally' used. Your pointing out your understanding of these terms on this has not educated me at all as I am fully aware what composite means in the industry.
I have always objected to the term hybrid being used with regard to carbon/glass composite construction as I feel that this is a poor choice of description. Although I have always felt this, I have not even mentioned it let alone starting correcting others on Forum's as to their choice of semantics. In reality it is up to the manufacturer and retailers of a poles how they decide to use the English language to explain their products to the buying public - as long as it is not misrepresentation. In my opinion the new Xtreme range of poles is a 'Hybrid' pole as it is a mixture of telescopic and modular poles.
Whilst this might confuse you, although I doubt it, it has never confused our client base. We have sold several thousand of these products and to my knowledge all were quite clear as to what they were buying. On our website we are one of the few, if not the only manufacturer, that clearly states the carbon/glass mix and even state the modulus of the High-Modulus of carbon fibre used (many manufacturers call much lower modulus carbon 'high-modulus' or even use the vague phrase 'multi-modulus' which just means a mix of low and not so low modulus carbon)
None of this really matters as long as the buying public know what they are buying from us when they make their purchase decision. I do appreciate that not all of our clients who visit our website are as educated on composite construction as you seem to be. Because of this when coming up with a term for the CLX range we took a good bit of time deciding what would differentiate them from the 'full carbon' ranges we do. As you know even these full carbon ranges are not 100% carbon fibres as they need the matrix system to work and are indeed also composite material. However most companies refer to these type of poles as 'full carbon' poles. Therefore using the phrase 'carbon composite' with regard to the CL-X range has always very clearly shown our clients that this is a carbon mix as opposed to our full carbon poles.
Thank you for providing me with this opportunity to talk about our products in greater detail - as always a pleasure!
