[Steven Shoreditch]

Are you talking about me? 

[Richard iSparkle]

get rid.  if he told you himself that its doing him no good, what are you waiting for?

[Steven Shoreditch]

Get him on crack asap; he'll soon be on his way out.

[SPE]

my boss once asked me if I "had weed in my pocket?",
he got me well paranoid.................................................






















































.....................................I was looking for a damp patch

[Helen]

 my lads semi-homeless , hes 26 and was a U.S. Airman till he had to leave the airforce under a cloud (dope cloud??) . he told me he had to leave after being caught drunk somewhere,.

Sorry but would not have employed him in the first place....but hindsight is a wonderful thing


Either way , he wont be going on ladders till i think it over more .As said above ,if he fell or had an accident , the insurance might not pay out

You will be responsible if he has an accident or damages property etc etc let alone being on a ladder, as he has made you aware. I can just hear it.....
"but I had told my boss and he did nothing about it, so I guess he was ok with me working on for him"
The insurance company wouldn't want to know.
Best deal with it in the best way you can, Phone Acas for advise

[SPE]

1 of my lads has been working slow, hes been on board about 8 weeks now and if im honest has got slower ,not faster as i expected he would be faster  by now

 in his first week with me ,the subject of unreliable dope smokers cropped up in conversation,and he agreed with me they are a waste of space-said he knew 1 or2
 
today as we drove along he tells me hes going to stop smoking weed as its" f/cking him up" ,to use his exact words.
  as i sit eating my tea,its dawning on me that the risk on the ladder is high,so high im not sure what to do next .

 have any of you lot been dope smokers on ladders? if so whats best to do?

He was a bit stupid in telling you, but what he does in his own time is his business and as he has said he's going to stop. Is he stoned at work ? is he slipping off for a spliff ? that would be cause for concern, however if not why is he slower than when he started ? is it boredom with the job ? have it out with him and tell him your concerns. IMO I'd be more concerned about someone turning into work with a hangover from clubbing several times a week. Warn the lad and give him a chance.

[Paul Coleman]

I know that some people can graft OK and do weed/hash.  Never took me that way though.  I had stopped quite a while before I started window cleaning so can't really comment on the safety stuff from personal experience.
I think it's important not to let the media stereotypes influence you.  There are plenty of people who live perfectly normal lives who smoke dope sometimes.  These tend to be the ones who don't let the dope and the lifestyle run their lives though.  Just think of it like someone who has a few beers on the odd evening versus someone who gets frequently plastered and is often hung over at work.  It's only an accident of history that the dope is illegal and the alcohol legal.  Although it probably has happened, I've never known people to slog each others brains out in the street because they've been smoking.
Personally, I would rather live in a society where smoking was socially accepted and alcohol outlawed if I had a choice in the matter.
BTW.  I don't smoke or drink.

[SPE]

Agree with you Paul, think you put it better than me
A couple of joints an evening to unwind after work is not going to be a problem and many people do just that, I worked in an A&E radiography department several years back with many medical proffessionals who did just that plus I have a few teacher mates who do too.
Waking up of  a morning and reaching for the king size papers before you've even got your socks on, thats when theres a problem.

[bobby p]

he isnt smoking while working .  

 

 HOWEVER ,the safety aspect of this job,this dangerous job needs concentration , means i cant trust a dope smoker .   ive now woken up  at 4 a.m. worrying , knowing theres  2nd floor ladderwork ahead  tomorrow on a big job ,and plenty more coming ahead ,   id be foolish to allow him to do it

  

 

[Dave Anderson]

Personally I 'vaporise' cannabis to aid pain relief and sleeping...whilst I advocate cannabis as a wonderful natural medicine...I would have very strong feelings about working whilst under it's affects as I would about alcohol.

I would give the employee a official warning and re-iterate that your countries laws deem it illegal (stupid IMHO) and lastly make it his final warning and stress that he is never to take it whilst at work or at any time that may affect his work.

Go from there..

Cheers
Dave

[david wood]

i had a lad in with me a few years back he was well in to all that .one friday afternoon he spiked my drink with speed .even though we got loads of work done that afternoon i well got rid of him .he ended up dieing on drugs a few weeks later .i later found out hed been collecting and stealing money behind my back

[Steven Shoreditch]

Personally, I would rather live in a society where smoking was socially accepted and alcohol outlawed if I had a choice in the matter.

Iran?

[Paul Coleman]

Agree with you Paul, think you put it better than me
A couple of joints an evening to unwind after work is not going to be a problem and many people do just that, I worked in an A&E radiography department several years back with many medical proffessionals who did just that plus I have a few teacher mates who do too.
Waking up of  a morning and reaching for the king size papers before you've even got your socks on, thats when theres a problem.

Indeed it would be a problem.  Every smoker worth his salt should learn to stick smaller skins together before embarking on kingsize  .  A bit like someone WFPing without being able to squeegee.

[Paul Coleman]

he isnt smoking while working .  

 

 HOWEVER ,the safety aspect of this job,this dangerous job needs concentration , means i cant trust a dope smoker .   ive now woken up  at 4 a.m. worrying , knowing theres  2nd floor ladderwork ahead  tomorrow on a big job ,and plenty more coming ahead ,   id be foolish to allow him to do it

Indeed safety is very important.  Let's not demonise dope because of the illegality though.

1. A man has a few beers one evening.  Climbs ladder next day.
2.  A man has a few joints one evening.  Climbs ladder next day.

My own experiences point to scenario 2 being the safer.

So long as someone wasn't an habitual, heavy smoker and wasn't deep into an unmanageable lifestyle, I would have no more problem employing a moderate, occasional smoker than I would anyone else.
I even knew a couple of coppers who smoked sometimes and, believe it or not, a clergyman   .

[Paul Coleman]

Personally, I would rather live in a society where smoking was socially accepted and alcohol outlawed if I had a choice in the matter.

Iran?

When I posted that I did wonder if someone would post something like that.  Iran would actually be an OK  place to live if it wasn't run by religious zealots.
I had a place more like Tibet in mind.  Of course, Tibet with healthcare, an X-box, and a vehicle would be nice but I guess we can't have it all 
Of course no society is perfect.

[AC Window Cleaning]

Heres my piece.....
10 years ago when i 1st had a saturday job windo cleaning for my mates dad,me and my mates used to get blazed all day running up double 16's all day long withut a care in the world-that was resin though-yes sometimes i felt edgy up there but got by,
Now-3 years ago when i last smoked it after not doing it since the days of resin (this was proper weed) it absolutely blew my mind.Now id smoked since i was 14 everyday and at 22/23 this new strain just put me in a zone.
That said i worked with a lad at my last job as a window cleaner before xmas and he was fine,he will light up at 6am on the shops and the finish at 3,doing in about 4 a day to himself.Hes a good grafter in all fairness.
Bottom line is it affects everyone differently...

[H S and Son]

I guess there are employers who would help the guy if he had acknowledged this as being a problem.

He did say he was going to stop smoking it, isn't that something to encourage rather than sack him over?

[Steven Shoreditch]

I guess there are employers who would help the guy if he had acknowledged this as being a problem.

He did say he was going to stop smoking it, isn't that something to encourage rather than sack him over?

Wouldn't that be rather like encouraging Amy Winehouse to stop taking drugs or else you'd cancel her recording contract?

[Paul Coleman]

I guess there are employers who would help the guy if he had acknowledged this as being a problem.

He did say he was going to stop smoking it, isn't that something to encourage rather than sack him over?

Wouldn't that be rather like encouraging Amy Winehouse to stop taking drugs or else you'd cancel her recording contract?

No.  Nothing like it at all.

[Steven Shoreditch]

Why not?