[Simon Gerrard]

Ian,
I'm glad you've decided to act against some of the more dubious posts. But locking topics? Why not simply remove the posts that you think are OTT, that way the sensible ones can carry on a quite legitimate debate. By locking, or deleting a topic you are punishing everyone and yet do nothing to curb the unsavoury posts of the few.

Are you now saying that the topic on Groupon is a banned subject? If so, can you tell us what other topics we cannot debate?
I think you are being a bit silly with this and totally inconsistent, perhaps you're just trying to beat your chest and playing daddy.
Why not start a topic, or sticky spelling out what is acceptable and what is not and then apply the rules by deleting the posts of those who transgress.
Ban me if you want but I think you're being rather silly.

Simon

[Steve Rothwell]

Simon .......................

Once more I agree with you

people will start to talk about us soon   

[Ian Gourlay]

Simon

I do not believe in bans unless it is people delibratley promoting other Forums , or deliberately causing trouble.

I do not think there is any need to be insulting

But Banter is Ok

After all Mike H  called me an Old Codger and Gary J thinks I was in the first World War 

Groupon   If you have some amazing new research on Groupon I have no problem but leave Jason out of it

I hate locking topics or deleting posts but it was you Simon who said we should have stepped in sooner over Joe

[Simon Gerrard]

Ian,
You certainly should have stepped in sooner over Joe, but you didn't and he has now left us depriving us of his knowledge and insight.
If you hate locking or deleting topics, then don't. There wasn't anything wrong with the wrong group on debate other than some people went too far on Jason, as did some with Joe, but why not just edit out, or delete what you consider OTT.
What you seem to be doing is allowing things to get out of hand and then deciding the only way of controlling the situation is to deprive everyone of the opportunity, whereas you could have controlled the situation much earlier by editing or deleting offensive post something you can do very easily. You could go a step further and warn the offender, either publicly or by email about their behaviour, none of which requires you to lock or delete a topic, which you say you hate doing.
If there is something illogical in what I have just proposed then please spell it out, or start a sticky topic about what is and is not acceptable, that way everyone knows the rules.
Rant over
Simon

[Doug Holloway]

Hi guys

Sometimes topics do get out of hand and my benchmark is when banter turns to bullying I will step in.

Moderators will never get it all right and I for one have been extremely busy these last six weeks, achieving my record three weeks out of six!

As for locking or removing topics, it is sometimes the quickest way to take the heat out as has been achieved..

I for one do not want to be 'daddy' to a bunch of adults but sometimes the childlike behaviour makes it necessary.

Remember we get the forum we deserve.

Cheers

Doug

[Simon Gerrard]

It seems to me that you may have wanted to get rid of Joe Hatton, probably because of his Solutions connections, so you  did nothing to stop the bullying he received and yet you spring to Jason's defence, even banning us from discussing the Groupon issue and if it is ever allowed to be discussed again, leave Jason out of it.

The real problem is that there don't appear to be any rules and if there are you rarely enforce them so you end up with a lawless society, but every now and then the key stone cops turn up and all of a sudden there are rules but you don't punish the unruly ones, you punish everyone. It takes seconds to edit or delete an offensive post and a couple more seconds to write a rebuke into the post and leave the majority who have done nothing worng to continue the debate.
On that basis will you now unlock the Groupon topic?

Simon

Simon

[Mike Halliday]

Simon you talk such crap  your faked concern over jo leaving is disgusting really, you couldn't give a rats arse about Joe and are just using joes situation to do what you love best and that is to cause trouble, just like this  post..... another way for you to stir it up,

 why don't you not bother logging on to CIU if the moderators actions bother you?...you stay  because CIU it gives you the biggest reading audience to spout your crap to.

but the saddest thing (apart from you over-inflated ego) is you think the average member of clean it up is too thick to see you for what you are .....a  Trouble causing has-been.

please don't see this post as bullying or insulting, its just sometimes i like to speak from the heart

[Jim_77]

Come on Mike, stop sitting on the fence

[garyj]

Where's the 'Like' button when you need it?

[Darren O]

Remember he got caught posting under another name the guys a trumpet

[Simon Gerrard]

Mike,

I could level all of the very same accusations at your door and they would fit it extremely well, were it not for the size of your head.

Joe and I did not get on particularly well, but I always respected him as a highly experienced fellow professional and I didn't like the way he was treated. I even emailed Ian Gourlay to protest at his treatment immediately upon hearing of him leaving CIU, ask Ian if you don't believe me. So to say that my concern over the Joe issue was false and was just show boating is complete and utter rubbish, but then we have come to expect that from you.

Simon

[Steve Rothwell]

Remember he got caught posting under another name the guys a trumpet

the moderators get all the IP address' of members, so if that was a major biggie (sorry Simon) then they could stamp it out immediately by revealing all the alias'.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Lets not let this degenerate into a a slanging match otherwise I will have to lock it

Simon was caught out because he actually signed himself Simon on another persons account name, we didn't need I.P !

As I've said before the mods don't always get it right and if it offends anyones sensibilities then they don't have to log in.

For my part I was a bit slow on the Joe episode, mainly because I was extremely busy and because I thought he could look after himself.
In hindsight I would have intervened.

Cheers

Doug

[wynne jones]

Simon you talk such crap  your faked concern over jo leaving is disgusting really, you couldn't give a rats arse about Joe and are just using joes situation to do what you love best and that is to cause trouble, just like this  post..... another way for you to stir it up,

 why don't you not bother logging on to CIU if the moderators actions bother you?...you stay  because CIU it gives you the biggest reading audience to spout your crap to.

but the saddest thing (apart from you over-inflated ego) is you think the average member of clean it up is too thick to see you for what you are .....a  Trouble causing has-been.

please don't see this post as bullying or insulting, its just sometimes i like to speak from the heart

Mike

Although you may not think it, a lot of the posts where you 'speak your mind' are also inflammatory. Just putting a little note at the end saying don't see this as insulting I just speak my mind cos I'm from Yorkshire won't wash, especially if you are lecturing others about the subject.

[derek west]

i might quit carpet cleaning and go into selling handbags, make a fortune on here, come on ladies, ive got louis vitons in pink, £20.

[garry22]

ive got louis vitons in pink, £20. Grin

Louis Vitton for £ 20.00?

Sounds like Enterprise or bait and switch for handbags 

[Billy Russell]

i might quit carpet cleaning and go into selling handbags, make a fortune on here, come on ladies, ive got louis vitons in pink, £20.

You can tell you used to work on a market!!!!!!!! Genuine copies!!!!!!

[derek west]

okay so there slight seconds, tarmac scuffs where they fell off the back of the lorry.

but i know a good leather repairer.

[Simon Gerrard]

Mike,

Here is a copy of an email I sent to Ian Gourlay at 08:26 on 7th July complaining about Joe's treatment on the forum. Please feel to ring Ian and confirm this:

Hi Ian,

It’s a real shame that you locked the topic ‘Jaguar’ on CIU as you have deprived all of the people who respect Joe Hatton from saying their piece.
Wouldn’t it have been a golden opportunity to make an example of these disrespectful idiots by suspending, or banning them and thereby set some standards of behaviour which CIU desperately needs to remain credible. As it is they’ve got away with it – AGAIN.

Kind regards

Simon

Simon Gerrard
Gerrards Specialist Cleaning Services Ltd
Office:      01942 864474


 If you look back to the Thread Jaguar, on page 7 you will see that I had a go at someone for disrespecting Joe. I complained about it privately to Ian Gourlay on the 7th July and if you care to read my comments since  you wil see they are entirely consistent and not crap, fake, or disgusting and perhaps when you have read what I have said about Joe, you will see fit to apologies for your comments.

 Simon you talk such crap  your faked concern over jo leaving is disgusting really, you couldn't give a rats arse about Joe and are just using joes situation to do what you love best and that is to cause trouble, just like this  post..... another way for you to stir it up,

Simon

[Steve Rothwell]

I just feel it is sad that you have to defend yourself like this.......


So what about this groupon thing then ??