[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

Lee Gundry mentioned a few weeks ago that he always uses a detergent in his rinsing as this helps to prevent rapid resoiling.

Several others have commented on similar experiences , others have different ones.

Apparently Dr .Eric Brown's book states that the the use of a fresh water rinse will lead to rapid resoiling.

Any comments?

Cheers,

Doug

[stevegunn]

Any idea where we can get a copy of this book.

[Pristine_Cleaning]

http://www.cresta-books.co.uk/fundamentals.htm

I think this is the one referred to.

Regards

John

[stevegunn]

Doug

Your not just cleaning with fresh water your using either m/s or a pre-spray.If you clean with just fresh water  yes it will re-soil quicker.

[Chris Bailey]

Whilst on my training with Prochem I remember them saying that you should leave the carpets slightly acidic!!!!

[Doug Holloway]

Steve,

Some Cc's are saying they use a detergent rinse as this reduces resoiling when compared to a fresh water rinse.

I know this does not seem logical at first glance but if it's what people are finding then we must think why?

Many of us have assumed that using a fresh water rinse means slower resoiling BUT does it?

I take your point about using a prespray , MS or detergent but most of this will be removed by the rinse.

Cheers,

Doug

[nick.solution]

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Regards Nick

[stevegunn]

Steve,

Some Cc's are saying they use a detergent rinse as this reduces resoiling when compared to a fresh water rinse.

I know this does not seem logical at first glance but if it's what people are finding then we must think why?

Many of us have assumed that using a fresh water rinse means slower resoiling BUT does it?

I take your point about using a prespray , MS or detergent but most of this will be removed by the rinse.

Cheers,

Doug

But has the chemical reaction not already taken place then.

[nick.solution]

Hi Steve

probably a misleading /leading question, the book referred to was first published in 1987 and actually mentions cleaning with fresh water not rinsing, as your post suggests if you were to rinse away an already applied chemical, basic chemistry would point to the fact that two individual solutions mixed together become something different, most chemicals used in cleaning are ph positive and for the most part water is on or near neutral therefore at worst you would leave the carpet slighly acid which is the industry advised route anyway, if you use a microsplitter, it is neutral when dry.

Best regards Nick

[Dennis]

The reason for this is the cleaning compounds block crevices in the fibre surface (a bit like a protector I suppose) inhibiting soiling and perhaps increasing light scattering properties masking the resoiling, which plain water doesn't do.

Paraphrased from Brown's book.

[nick.solution]

Hi Dennis

You hit the nail on the head, some detergent products actually hide soil they don't remove it,

Best regards Nick

[Ian Gourlay]

Although I read this book years ago the libary lost my copy which I had on continuous loan.

Been thinking of buying it and adding it to my research.

Has anyone published a book on using micro splitters

[Doug Holloway]

Nick,

There is no such thing as pH negative, all PH's are positive apart from 0 and we won't see any of them in cleaning solutions.

Basic chemistry does not suggest that two solutions mixed together become something else, this would only occur if a chemical reaction takes place.For example alcohol and water mixed together are just alcohol and water mixed together ,not a new compound as they have not reacted.

Leaving aside the 'science' I am more interested in what results people are finding in practice , afterall most of us have only been fresh water rinsing for a short time and when experienced CC,s say they are adding detergent to inhibit resoiling , I for one take notice.

So come on guys what are your real life experiences , I have been suprised when I have returned to places  , where I have used a fresh water rinse , how dirty the carpet looks.

Cheers,

Doug

[nick.solution]

Doug

You must be read different forums
I have seen no-one on any of the forums say they are seeing re-soiling when using a fresh water rinse, some of us have been fresh water rinsing for ten years or more, if you read previous informed posts , you will see that detergent "hides soil" water does not. If the clean is correctly undertaken re soiling is not as issue.

Figure of speach negative is below 7 positive is above.

Regards Nick

[woodman]

Hi Doug

I think in 1987 Dr Brown was refering to cleaning at high temperature with just water as some in the past had, in an attempt to achieve a neutral finish.(no residue).Of course this was nigh on impossible because water on its own is not wet enough to clean effectively and without the addition of a wetting agent the carpet would give the impression of re-soiling very rapidly when in effect it had never been cleaned properly to start with.

The whole industry has moved on at a pace since then and of course we have solutions now that can be spray applied or mixed with water that can clean and leave the carpet in a safe ph condition.

I have not had any reports back from CC that have mentioned the rinsing problem that you refer to and hardly anyone has posted as such.

The only thing I could think of where this might occur is if the cleaner has mixed something like a deodoriser in with a solution and the two are not compatable ie mixing up there 'ionics'  . The result of this would be rapid re-soiling.

Enough is not said about deodorisers and the problems they can cause when wrongly applied in attempt to create 'a nice smell'.

[Dennis]

So come on guys what are your real life experiences , I have been suprised when I have returned to places  , where I have used a fresh water rinse , how dirty the carpet looks.

Cheers,

Doug

I've been fresh water rinsing about 6 years and I've not noticed any greater resoiling (I will say it's customer dependent, the cleaner customers don't resoil, the less fussy do!)

[Doug Holloway]

Nick ,

Of course I read different forums , don't most of us !

Go to cleaning pros , Clean and Rinse , Sept 29th

Cheers,

Doug

[BRSL]

In my experiances mainly on jobs with heavy trafic detergents will resoil the carpet easily 50% faster than just HWE with plain water, but some acid rinses seem too cause resoiling too  the topic I would like too raise is I know soft water cleans better but does hard water resoil quicker I herd this the other day any one got any comments 

[ollie]

I asked a question on here a while ago about cleaning white carpets I was just Vaccing, prespraying and acid rinsing. I was advised to rinse with another detergent i did and got much better results, but then i feel i must acid rinse ontop of that and this is very time consuming! On my NCCA course i was taught to always acid rinse to neutralise the alkaline. Does everyone who rinses with another alkaline solution acid rinse again? Please  enlighten me on this confusing subject!
Ollie

[springgleam]

nick you are right 100 per cent