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The Great One

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Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« on: October 19, 2005, 07:52:18 pm »
Hi Guys

I approached yellow pages about doing some advertising and a rep came round. Of course I knew he was going to try to upsell to me.  at the end of it he wants me to spend £4000 for yellow pages, yell.com and talking pages.

the problem I have is that his spiel is no different to what he said in his last appointment to the previous umpteen prospects.

I showed him this site and the different responses.

So I would like to ask all you guys who have done this for your honest opinion???

GO...

regards

Martin 8)

Neil Grainger

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2005, 08:03:48 pm »
Yellow pages-dont want to do it but have to.

Yell com- good if you go can get premium areas in more than one area. Right hand side is a waste of space and money because someone that take's a free list will get more space than someone who pays for the right hand side if there is no premium advertisers in that area. Camberley is one.

Talking Pages never tried because I have been put of by comment on this forum.

Lots of money but a have to and they know it.

David_Annable

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2005, 08:55:14 pm »
Could you not spend 4K targeting the kind of sustomers you want, instead of just everyone.

Ask the rep what his commision is on 4K, bet he wont tell you that.

There all squirels !

Dave

PS Dont ask.
NCCA, Woolsafe, IICRC Leather Cleaning Technician

Terry_Burrows

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2005, 09:18:12 pm »
have to say yell got us nothing,or the book :P
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garyj

Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2005, 11:01:45 pm »
Not impresssed with Yell, no way would I spend 4K with
them, you can  get a half decent ad in there for under a thousand. At 4000 quid it would have to bring in £100 a week to pay for  itself and in my experience it doesn't.

John_Flynn

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2005, 11:05:24 pm »
Ask a YP rep what their commision is and they will tell you they are not on commision, my son was offered an interview with YP through an agency they were offering starters of £30k+.

He got a proper job selling  water cleaning at £35k+.
I get better looking each day!!

Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2005, 10:13:36 am »
we went in yellow pages when we started in january. it has more than paid for itsself. we have just had notification to continue with add . we will be going in again -though i will change it slightly, and if price is right i will go in yell.com as well. the question i would ask is why spend4k on it? our add isnt very big but it sems to have worked .it was just over £500 . i think the position of the add plays a big part, we are on the first page of ccs so it gets seen quickly.. think like everything the area you live in plays a part- local-papers brings me no response at all where as i have read posts on here that some people have had a good rsponse from them.. mick

Karl Wildey

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2005, 10:16:02 am »
Make my money back from yellow pages and happy with that.

Yell is bringing in a little but not much.

Did talking pages a few years back, a total waste of money, don't waste your money or time in this complete waste of @*&%.
My mate Matt also did talking pages and had the same results as me

Terry_Burrows

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2005, 10:52:04 am »
I have been told these storys before I think its areas maybe not so many cc :-\ in that area ???it has never worked for wc :P
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cleaning co

Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2005, 11:27:22 am »
£4000 !!  dont do it, max u want to spend is £500,i hav tried them all over the years big ad little ad coluor ad black white etc etc  ive had better responce on the smaller ad   u do an ad for £4000 u could end up at best making your money back  think of aving to clean £4000 pounds worth of carpets for nothing  och !!   for me its a £500 ad  then u hav £3500 to employ a part time leaflet man for 9 months year  which will giv you 10 times more work than £3500 in the yellows
p.s  imo the tom is far better than yellow

Chris Bailey

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2005, 12:06:40 pm »
small add then leaflets.  You'll get a better return on your money.  YP is the necessary evil, certainly in the early years.  Trick is to spead your money over a number of methods and see which gives the best return.  £4k in on basket, bit too risky, that won't bring in enough for you to survive on.

Chris
Carpet Care

Leicester

Phil Marlor

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2005, 07:56:50 pm »

DO NOT spend £4000.00!!!!!!!!

Yell.com is not very good either, but at £150.00 (left hand side only)you might as well go for it.

118 247 is a complete waste of time, dont do it. People are not stupid, they know how to pick up a book and look for themselves.

Going in the book is something you have to do, I am convinced you need to be near the front of the section, and another CC in my area is convinced being at the back of the section is a good thing for all the people who read things back to front.

I wouldn't spend no more than £1K and as someone has already said, imagine having to do £4k worth of work just to get your money back.

Also dont make the same mistake I made with nice colour pictures, the worded type and lots of information adverts work better.

Phil



Stevenage, Herts

LUTON TOWN 3-0 SUNDERLAND

ianharper

Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2005, 12:05:54 pm »
Hi Guys

I dont think its fair to blaim Yell for bad responce. Take a look at your local book and see how many adverts have reasons for a prospect to call? How do you select when you go to the book.?

Most prospects look for the local guy if there is more than one they call them both. the prospect will more that likely use the cheap one, or base it on which one they get the right fellings for at the quote. not a great way to choose a service provider.

Give them a reason. we have just tested an advert in our book for our maid service with "The mother of all cleaning offers" and its working great. it gives prospects reasons to call,

First month free
inside windows cleaned free
free upgrade
free carpet cleaning

When someone has cleaning every week its easy to give away these things for free. Think about even if our price is higher that someone else in our area the extra value that they get from us will get us the job.

We have some great ideas for next year for our carpet advert.

If you dont give prospects a good reasons to call then you cant expect the advert to work.

You should only expect to get your money back, for every pound you spend you should be happy to get it back. its the backend where you make your money, add ons, reconmandations, repeats.

I would evan loss money to get a customer. as We have confindance in our systems to make it back and much more.

We all like something for nothing, we are all in a position to give added value to customers where they think thay are getting something worth a lot more money. For example an extra room, how much does it cost you? the time it takes and a small amount in costs. to the customer it will be whatever you charged them for the first room. You have just made a friend. BTW always put the price on the invoice and then take it off so they can see what they are getting in writting.

One of the downsides to Yell is that you must put you address on the advert. so this makes it easy for the prospect to pick a local guy. ok if you live in a big town, but no so good if you dont. you can use this to your advantage if you think about it. we have and we can now put adverts in two local books.

Your phone number gives you location away as well. BT have a system called "Remote call forwarding" not the one that you get at home. this one lets you get a phone number with a differant area code.

One other problem with yell is that you can be sure that the prospect will be getting other quotes, so make sure that you follow up with a letter giving away an extra benifit, that you did not offer on the quote if you did not get to book the job then. Put a time limit on it, I use about three days.

For us its not just about one advert its about a marketing plan.

If you braek evan on the yell advert, but you sell add ons and get repeat business and reconmendations. they its worth the money. If an advert does not work then there is somthing wrong with it, not the media. this can be a big problem with yell as you only get one chance at it. we are testing out next year advert now on a leaflet to find out if it works.

Respect

Ian Harper

Terry_Burrows

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2005, 01:00:01 pm »
we are going for a thompson local small £150 add see how this fairs for Jan 06 ??? :-\
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Elite (Ben)

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2005, 03:02:05 pm »
i am spending £3500 on 2 ads next year, one for my wifes ironing service and my carpet at @3000.
i have no worries spending this much, i have always made my money back before.
ben

Terry_Burrows

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2005, 09:23:32 am »
we once spent £2000 and got nothing in 3 different areas that was for window cleaning,now we are trying a new angle, :-\ with the carpets :-\
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ianharper

Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2005, 04:57:11 pm »
Hi Guys

So how do you all feel about putting offers in your yell adverts?

Respect

ian Harper

garyj

Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2005, 05:03:33 pm »
As Yellow Pages etc is an annual publication I would be wiery of putting any offers in because I feel the company would try to claw the money back somewhere else or have inflated prices to start with.  Also a year long promotion such as 'one room free' could hinder any future advertising you do. 

springgleam

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Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2005, 05:30:45 pm »
i dont believe your allowed to mention prices in yp are you. :)

ianharper

Re: Yellow pages +yell+talking pages???
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2005, 04:35:12 pm »
Hi Guys

Springgleam, yout right, but from next year the rules are changing.

What I was talking about was offers like "Free area" its got to be something that will get them to call you, remember that all the other local cleaners are in the same book so you have got to stand out in some way . Its called USP whats unique about you. For me its my offers. they get added value when they use me over other cleaners. One area is they get free allergy treatment on all cleaning. something that no one else in my town can offer at the moment.

GaryJ not everyone chooses by price, if they did we would only have one of everything and that whould be the cheapist. I give value thats differant.

Respect

Ian Harper