[simonc]

Dear Tihson
If you want a chat about the eclipse and altec pro plus which i have and use daily ring me on 07717 580085 simon

[ABLECLEAN]

 No one has mentioned that the Eclipse does not have a heater!!!! (this is what I have been told) Am I right? If I am it would stop me buying one

[cleaning co]

yes correct  the eclipse no heater,the ninja has two ,1500 watt pre heat tank and a 3000 watt inline heater which is superb u really can get it up to steam, and iam great beleavier in the hotter the water the easer and better clean u get,  this is one of the main reasons i chose a ninja over the eclpise its just got alot more opptions and its cheaper  ,i paid £3000  for two heaters two heavy duty 3 stag vacs auto fill auto dump and 400 psi pump and this runs off two leads and if the tap water is really hot u only hav to plug in one lead add a  baff fresh water tank and a 12volt pump for £300 and u can clean allday long  so for £3300 pounds u got u self an electric truckmount setup, and for couple extra pounds the ninja has a booster lid for hooking up your back up machine to it if u ever need 4x 3 stage vacs!, for me although the eclispe is a great machine because it has 3 x2 stage vacs they sacreficed any heat options, very overated machine  p.s u could get a triple vac machine years before the eclpise came out

[Doug Holloway]

Able,

The Eclipse does not have a built in heater but both Alltec and Extracta have and Prochem can have.

As a newbie I would want an in tank heater as it is one less thing to mess around with.

Cheers,

Doug

[nick.solution]

Doug

Its also less effective both the machines you mention are a fraction ogf the power of either the eclipse or the scorpion, using basics of entry level cleaning. If you decrease either temperature, chemical, reaction, or time, all you need to do is increase one or all of the rest to get an equal reaction, many in our industry are working using machines that produce steam, are they forgeting that the majority of carpet pile is heat set, heat in carpet cleaning is made far to much of an issue.

Best regards Nick

[cleaning co]

mmmm why do u sell £500 plug in heaters to your custs  ::)then?
gary

[dave401uk]

I used to run a Allteck advantage pro with a heater in tank.
Ive just bought a eclipse, it doesn't have a heater, and i have found that i don't need one!

using M/S and doing things the right way. having heat makes no difference, as nick mentioned, most pile is heat set, i for one would not want to use "steam"

The power of the eclipse works, i get cleaner carpets and my drying times are great, with the eclipse.

When i started cleaning carpets(many yrs ago) my machine didn't have heat,none of them did! and we didn't give heat a second thought!

I find tap water to be ample, and by not having to wait for the machine to heat up, my productivity has increased.

I do believe the heat issue is SIMULA to the early thinking about m/s, in so far as "Ive always done it this way" so it is the right way, we just need to open our minds and try things a different way every now and again, who would have used chewing gum remover to clean of Lilly pollen, if we didn't try different things

[cleaning co]

 quote :  "having heat makes no diffrence"  so come on then y dos u suppiler sell them ? :
gary  lol 

[nick.solution]

Gary

If you want to buy it I will supply it

Its called supply and demand, I also make a point of explaining heat and its positive and negative aspect to all prospective purchasers.

Best regards Nick

[cleaning co]

  lol

[Doug Holloway]

Nick ,

 To say the machines I mention are a fraction of the power is a bit misleading , the Advantage must be seven eigths of the suction power of the Eclipse with a built in heater which is a big fraction!

Obviously all machines are limited by their power draw and its a bit swings and roundabouts.

I still say that a twin vac , relatively portable machine with an inbuilt heater is a lot easier to use for a new starter than one which requires an additional heater.

I know you are trying to cover all bases but i am just passing on my experience.

Dave

The question of whether fresh water rinsing leads to faster resoiling is another interesting topic which several experienced CC's claim and is apparently in Dr. Eric Brown's book.

Cheers,

Doug

[stevegunn]

Sorry I have to disagree with you Doug having been one of the first in the country to have the eclipse.I have had an extracta exel and a ninja it's not rocket science to flick four swithes on the eclipse just like the exel and three on the ninja.An extra switch for the inline heater is no hardship really is it.

Now I just turn a key and start the engine and away I go.

[nick.solution]

Doug

Have you used either the eclipse or the scorpion.

I have used extracta, asbys Ninja, US Products, Truvox, Alltech Advantage,  and Alltechs 4 vac unit which is no longer produced, and I would add this was in actual carpet cleaning situations, not a set up test.

I can say from experience  currently these two machines do not have any comparable competition.

Nothing misleading there.

Best regards Nick

[Ian Lees]

Hi all,
This ones interesting I am looking at the moment I am relativley inexperienced so please excuse my ignorance in advance.
Why no mention of CFR PRO STATION 500 it looks nice it recycles, "less refilling" I would of thought this machine was a serious contender, I have seen this machine being used for rug cleaning on recent ncca road show I thought it was very quiet but the pressure could have been turned right down, my work is all domestic so a low noise level without loss of power is important to me, any thoughts.

Many thanks
Ian

[Doug Holloway]

Nick,

I have only used the Eclipse in a demo situation  and thought it was O.K and did give more suction that the Alltec Advantage but not markedly so , maybe another 10-15%.
If you wish to lend me an Eclipse and or Scorpion 3 ,I will trial and reoprt back.

None of these machines were anywhere near the truckmounts.

I feel I should point out in the interest of balance to those that don't know ,  that Nick supplies both Eclipse and Scorpion.

Steve,

It's not the extra switch but the extra cable.it's also that in line heaters can lead to hot spots particularly on restarting work which can cause problems especially  on synthetics.


The question was whether an Eclipse was suitable for a new starter and I still believe a good quality twin vac with a built in heater is easier to use, manouvre and more cost effective for a newcomer to CC.


Ian,

Some experienced CC's swear by the CFR and as it has only one vac, I believe it is quiet.There are so many options including the almost dry ones like Texatherm and Dry Fusion which others swear by.

Cheers,

Doug

[mark_lane]

Hi Ian just a quick note  on noise ,you should be looking to leave the machine outside the house where possible ,it makes life a lot easier.
                                           cheers mark

[cleaning co]

yes great idea doug, nick send me and doug  down these two machines and we will test them against my ninja set up and dougs set up ,  because i think my ninja will clean better than your set ups which hav no heat cant comment on dougs as i hav never used his set up
 please explain to me why u belive no machines come close to yours ? as all an eclipse has is one extra vac thats it so i cant c how they are so much better imo
cheers gary   

[nick.solution]

Don't hold your breath!! :

Regards Nick

[Michel Roberts]

Ian

I brought A CFR pro 400 in april

Call me if you want to chat

Michel 020 8743 3977

[ianharper]

Hi Guys

I have one and its great, sold a TM to get it. Cant wait to get the extra unit that solution are now doing, it will put carpet drying times up with TM's

Use mine from the van at some jobs, did some school work in the summer and used auto fill and pump out, saved loads of time.

Respect

Ian Harper