[Bob Robertson]

Hi everyone

Trying to decide what machine to go for.  I've had Prochem (Steempro) and Alltec (Advantage) demos.  Now considering  the eclipse.    Keeping in mind I'm new to this game, any views on using the eclipse to startup in the cc business?

Regards
tihson   

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

Can't comment on either of the machines but what i can say is this.

Many years ago when i got my first computer i was told that it was a brilliant starter package and was ideal for me as i have little experience with computers.

I quickly found that the computer was just making things harder for myself because compared to what was available the computer was very slow and under powered. needless to say i quickly upgraded to a more suitable computer that would perform at a level that enabled me to use a wider range of software. An expensive lesson, 2 computers in a short period of time when i could have bought the more powerful machine to start with.

cheers Goron

[Doug Holloway]

Tihson,

It's worth thinking about the type of work you are going for.

Some of the bigger machines are not very portable due to their weight.

If you are going to do lots of flats or other inaccessible jobs then I would suggest you do not go any bigger than the machines you have demo'd.

Cheers,

Doug

[Kinver_Clean]

I have a heavy machine and use several lengths of hose with no problems. My Grandad (who was a mater cabinet maker always used to say "always use the biggest tool that you can on a job"

Trevor

[lee_gundry]

buy a second hand truckmount,if things dont work out you will lose very little money compaired to a portable.


Lee G

[Len Gribble]

tihson

Both very good replies! Don’t know how much each machine costs and the price difference between them. But at the end of the day it down to your budget after taking in advertisements costs, van, insurances, bit and pieces and not forgetting training.

Have seen and used the eclipse powerful machine more so than the others, only thing not happy with regulator in the wrong place and vac exhaust configuration probably an American thing, this is a personal observation, why not have a look at the Scorpion 3.

Len

[neil 47]

Buy a second hand portable then if things dont work out you wont be stuck with a new machine at a high cost .
when thing do work out you,ll be able to judge for yourself what will suit you, and then you,ll have a back up machine.

Neil

[Ian Gourlay]

Neil forgive me for asking but you been on the boards for a long time.

When will you consider yourself not to be a new starter.

On the other hand I know its you.

Not sure if we still have two Mark Roberts aqnd when you read them quickly which ones which.

In answer to the question I have no Idea as I have only seen the eclipse.

and not played with it.

Also the next toy I want is a Rotovac, and I keep reading keep preasure at 100 therefore I would not need a more poweful pump.

I like Dougs answer consider ease of servicing and repairs, distance  cost do you have to return machine in six months for service, maybee there is a service agreement and how easy to do it yourself.

And as Nieil says there are some good ones on Ebay and possibly a couple of Truckmounts for sale,

[neil 47]

Ian I have changed it now

Neil

[Chris Bailey]

Ian

What do you mean.... "and I keep reading keep preasure at 100"  where have you read this?

Chris

[Bob Robertson]

Hi Guys

The problem  being is there are a lot of flats in Glasgow but I dont want to restrict myself to residential customers and would be targeting businesses aswell . This is why I am thinking that the eclipse would be the better option  from what I've read on here it has got good reviews and like Goron says Iwould hate to buy a machine then a couple of months later wish i had bought a more powerfull one.  Isnt the eclipse like in between a truckmount / portable thus having the best of both?

P.S I dont want to consider failing before I even start lol.

Regards

tihson
tihson

[cleaning co]

top of the range ninja all the way for me   very high heat auto fill auto dump   two good vacs   high pressure pump   great service  , add a tank in your van clean allday      cant recon this setup enough  just great !!!!
its the last setup  before truckmount  , thats if u ever need truck mount  and it will work fine with 100ft plus pf hoses
gary
p.s and it really gets up to steam at that length !!! .all this spec just of two leads as well

[dave401uk]

Ive just bought an eclipse 500, and must say its by far the best machine i have ever owned.

Firstly all the controls and cable,s are at the same end of the machine, this makes it more manageable when working, the suction power of this machine is far more than other portable,s.

Add to this the booster box, and you will have drying times that are just fantastic.

And to the best of my knowledge, you don't have to rtn it for 6 month service,s and so one.

Close loop carpet tiles dry in 20 Min's,without the booster box is just an indication of the power,and the high psi of the pump, make this a must have machine,

I did have an alteck pro, a very good machine, which served me well, however you just cant compare the 2, in my opinion the pump lets down the allteck, the eclipse is heavy,but a ramp in the van cured that one.

Dave

[Bob Robertson]

Dave

Do you have to courier it to them for the service and how long would you be without it? Do you use a spare machine when this is being done which would be another topic !!! more money AHH!!

tihson

[Bob Robertson]

Dave

Thanks for the chat.   


tihson

[Graeme@Access]

Hi Tihson,

Up here in Glasgow i think only prochem have an outlet thats handy?  imo its nice to have a service engineer close at hand in case it all goes wrong one day.  So we chose a second hand prochem machine.

As to the pump power of the machine etc.. well i figure its all part of the cleaning pie chart.   Time/Chemical/Agitation/Temperature.   If the pump is a bit low on power ie agitation... then spend more time working in the prespray or increase one of the other parameters.

Cheers

Graeme
ACS

[Bob Robertson]

Graeme

Alltec have a place in Clydebank just down the road from you. He sells all their  products  and sevices the machines even Prochem . Save you a drive to Greenock!

R&B Cleaning Services
Unit 6 Clyde Business Centre
31 Clyde Street
G81 1PF

Cheers

tihson

[Graeme@Access]

 

Cheers m8

Graeme

[nick.solution]

Hi All

We have an engineer in Edinburgh who can service our machines so no need to ship to us in Cornwall,

Hope this helps

Best regards Nick

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

I can honestly say that most of my grief in CC has come from machine breakdowns, waiting for the parts , trying to get my CC popeye forearms into tiny space to fit new vacs etc :

If you can find a good , local service centre then that is a big plus .

However worth asking how long to fix , say a faulty pump.

I would suggest it's even worth ringing up and hypothetically enquiring as to how long to repair my broken machine?

I tried our local Prochem dealer and although they are nice guys the repair service was awful and on more than one occaision I had to fix the 'repair' myself.

Cheers,

Doug

p.s
If you are a good engineer then you will not have many problems