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Mike #1

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2011, 07:43:08 pm »
Very well said seymour  :D ;D ;D :D

groundhog

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2011, 08:18:34 pm »
Ok get a trolley.. great idea!! and spend every working day messing about filling containers and lugging them in and out of you van, and then dragging your water supply around with you!! great idea for someone who has just had a stroke!!! Oh and of course you will earn less money, and have to work longer hours!! yep definately a good move!! Happy trollying!!!!!  ;)

Seymour Sunshine

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2011, 08:52:09 pm »
Ok get a trolley.. great idea!! and spend every working day messing about filling containers and lugging them in and out of you van, and then dragging your water supply around with you!! great idea for someone who has just had a stroke!!! Oh and of course you will earn less money, and have to work longer hours!! yep definately a good move!! Happy trollying!!!!!  ;)

Interesting to note, hoggy, that most of the replies are positive and helpful, giving hard information and well-thought-out opinion.

And then there's this contribution of yours.

Few people value sarcasm.
Banjo players are sent from heaven ... to make drummers look good.

groundhog

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2011, 09:20:48 pm »
Whatever Sunshine!! I've been wfp for 7 years and have used every method now, trolley, back pack and van mount... I'm just giving the guy my opinion based on my experience!!


Seymour Sunshine

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2011, 09:30:41 pm »
Whatever Sunshine!! I've been wfp for 7 years and have used every method now, trolley, back pack and van mount... I'm just giving the guy my opinion based on my experience!!

Yes, and people should have the option to take advice or leave it without being subject to sarcasm or ridicule.
Banjo players are sent from heaven ... to make drummers look good.

davids3511

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2011, 11:28:11 pm »
Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into.

It depends on how much work you intend doing. I think you mentioned you might be doing less work from now on. A water butt will hold about 200 ltr which depending on alot of things will clean in the region of 7-10 standard houses (I know some can clean a house with a cup of water but I can't). Some get an IBC tank which will hold 1000ltrs which is a few days worth.

Also, do you have any idea of the TDS of your water, it may be that you don't need to filter it. DI only may be an option.

If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day.

You could get a bilge pump from eBay, that will move the water quickly and won't cost a fortune.
Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one.

Poles and brushes is a bit of a hot topic on this forum. Persoanlly I use a Gardiners SLX30 with a dual trim flcoked brush. Nothing else comes close for me but I know others will have different views on this.


Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.

Good luck and I hope you are well again soon. Where are you based, some of us may be be nearby and willing to help out with your setup. We might have some of the gear you are thinking about an you could come along and get a feel for it.

mikecam

Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2011, 11:41:19 pm »
Ok get a trolley.. great idea!! and spend every working day messing about filling containers and lugging them in and out of you van, and then dragging your water supply around with you!! great idea for someone who has just had a stroke!!! Oh and of course you will earn less money, and have to work longer hours!! yep definately a good move!! Happy trollying!!!!!  ;)
I agree with ya !! How they think a trolley is less physically demanding is beyond me. If i'd had a stroke i'd much prefer just pulling a hose from my van, without any doubt.
 I'm sure some of you are on drugs or summat. Filling barrels and pulling trolleys about, you gotta be off your heads.

davids3511

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2011, 11:49:35 pm »
Yeah but the guy said he doesn't want to fit a permanent tank so we kinda have to work within that framework.

mikecam

Re: Lynn Payne.
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2011, 11:59:59 pm »
Yeah but the guy said he doesn't want to fit a permanent tank so we kinda have to work within that framework.
He asked..........WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
strap a 250 litre lay flat tank in? I know he does't want to, but thats what he needs to do for his health.
 Actually mate, just go on invalidity, you'll get as much money !!!! Forget tanks and trolleys !!!  ;D

groundhog

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Re: Lynn Payne.
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2011, 03:36:46 am »
He asked..........WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
strap a 250 litre lay flat tank in? I know he does't want to, but thats what he needs to do for his health.
 Actually mate, just go on invalidity, you'll get as much money !!!! Forget tanks and trolleys !!!  ;D

Common sense at last!!!!!!!! Thanks Mike, I was beginning to feel like I was hitting my head against a brick wall!!  :)

Mike #1

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2011, 05:46:40 am »
just one point to make david 1000ltrs over a few days is 200ltrs a day over 4 days a few typically been four
i use 250 ltrs a day and get through more than 10 houses just thought i would point that out not having a go i  am a PF trolley user have been for over 3yrs no problems at all 

dazmond

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2011, 08:11:15 am »
if he s planning on just using wfp on upper windows then he ll only need 4-6 barrels for a full days work so a trolley would be fine.couple it with a light pole like a clx/slx 22footer and 30m of 5mm extension hose and he s got himself a good little set up.much better than using ladders all day.

itll be adaptable so if he wants to use his van for something else then he just takes the barrels out.

no extra van insurance to pay because no vehicle modifications.

no worries about freeze ups in winter and messing about with heaters just simply bring inside and put on charge!

if he wants to   he can use the trolley as a mini van mount for stand alone accounts

over time if he feels he needs a van mount  just add a tank then detach the trolley for the awkward to reach windows.simple.

groundhog you really do my head in!i dont like liars!you talk BS at times!how can you deny the video ive seen of you?you deleted it after i slated it!

price higher/work harder!

groundhog

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2011, 09:00:37 am »
Ok Ive given my advice which comes from years worth of experience in wfp, take it or leave it Martin its up to you, and good luck. I'm not going to waste my time anymore on this forum argueing with some reject from the Jeremy Kyle show like Dazmond, lifes too short!!!  :(

Nathanael Jones

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2011, 10:47:24 am »
The trolley vs van mount issue isn't about what anyone here thinks is best,.. its what suits YOUR round best.

A trolley is great if you have lots of areas where it would be hard to drag a hose, eg. through houses, across busy pavements, or where you simply find it hard to park close enough to where you're working.

Where these problems don't exist, a van mount is a lot easier physically,.. no lifting heavy barrels or dragging trolleys in & out of the van etc.

My personal advice would be to look at your round carefully & if you are planning to work less now, start by dropping houses where you have bad frames that wouldn't suit wfp, where you have to go over flat roofs or where access is awkward. Refine your round to suit van mounted working, as it is far easier on the body. If you invest in a good lightweight pole like an SLX, use microbore hose etc it will revolutionise the way you work. Even if you want to do the same number of houses each day, you will be at work for an hour less at least.

I'd also recommend doing the bottoms WFP as well. Switching methods & carrying 2 sets of gear will slow you down no end, and confuse your customers. WFP when its done right does give the same (or better) level of cleaning as trad, and while some customers might initially be doubtful, the results will speak for themselves.

If you can spend a couple of days with experienced WFP cleaners (Maybe 1 trolley user & 1 van mounted) you will learn a huge amount & it might help you be more confident in making these decisions. I'm sure there's plenty of guys here that'd be happy to bring you along for a day & let you get a more rounded view of the various wfp options.

Martin OFarrell

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2011, 12:17:47 pm »
I really didn't want to stir up any bad feeling between any guys on the forum and I value all your opinions even Groundhogs ! He is obviously concerned for my health and this is appreciated. As has been mentioned there have been many well thought out posts which are very relevant to my position but I must stress that although I've had a small stroke I'm physically as strong as I was and there is no way I'd even consider not working. My plan is to reduce my working week to 3 days and then only max 6 hours. I am currently discussing with my brother-in-law the possibility of him buying into my round as a partner so in all likelyhood he will wfp upstairs and I'll trad downstairs. Regarding the trolly and containers; I may try it because I don't want a permanent tank in my van but if as many have said, it does become impractical then I will add a tank mount and hosereel, nothing lost then. I want to carry on with some physical work so the loading and unloading of the containers won't bother me and also will have my brother-in-law to help. If all else fails I always have the option of dropping all my houses and concentrate on all my bungalows and shops ! Thanks again, your help and advice have helped a great deal in making an informed decision of what to do. Martin.

Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2011, 03:42:19 pm »
Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into. If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day. Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one
Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.


I was off for the week, and was not driving for a week.  I can't believe you've asked a question and the best people can offer is a load of arguing about their wonderfull systems! all these guys think if they use it, its the best, madness.


davids3511

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2011, 05:39:20 pm »
just one point to make david 1000ltrs over a few days is 200ltrs a day over 4 days a few typically been four
i use 250 ltrs a day and get through more than 10 houses just thought i would point that out not having a go i  am a PF trolley user have been for over 3yrs no problems at all 
Yeah, I know peoples usage differs but I was just trying to give him some ball park figures. Persoanlly I use about 650 a day to clean about 20 houses. My usage is high, I know that but it is how I work best.

davids3511

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #57 on: May 21, 2011, 05:44:35 pm »
Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into. If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day. Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one
Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.


I was off for the week, and was not driving for a week.  I can't believe you've asked a question and the best people can offer is a load of arguing about their wonderfull systems! all these guys think if they use it, its the best, madness.


I think that is a bit unfair. However, I think the topic already has enough bitching to get into it with you.

CLEANCARE WC

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2011, 06:01:13 pm »
you can take ro unit in house over night in winter if needed i the temp does not drop below -8 i leave mine running all the time and it does'nt freeze up if your work is compact you should,nt have to much worry regarding container changes

Im ordering a new RO this coming week and im mounting it under the kitchen sink with waste going out with washing machine water and drilling a small hole for jg tubing to go outside to tank.
WE CLEAN BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT WITH WATER FED POLE WHEN WORKING AT HEIGHT.

Mike #1

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Re: WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2011, 06:54:44 pm »
martin is just like that sometimes on here just take the positive info form the post and gleam as much info form all the other  posts  about various pieces of kit used good luck and really hope all goes well with you and your business