[dazmond]

groundhog do you think we re stupid?you had a video of you cleaning some leaded windows a while ago and you swapped poles for the ground floors.i slated you at the time for lack of rinsing and the running around with a pole in your hand.it was constructive criticism but like the big girl you are you removed it.....and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!!

[Frankybadboy]

fight fight

[groundhog]

groundhog do you think we re stupid?you had a video of you cleaning some leaded windows a while ago and you swapped poles for the ground floors.i slated you at the time for lack of rinsing and the running around with a pole in your hand.it was constructive criticism but like the big girl you are you removed it.....and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!!

What are you talking about? I have never posted a video of me cleaning leaded windows, or swapping poles for that matter... I have never used a seperate pole for downstairs!! You've been wfp for 5 minutes and you think your some kind of expert!! I've been wfp for nearly 7 years now, so I think I know what I'm doing!!! 

[groundhog]

Van mount and microbore plus lightweight pole is the way to go.
If you've had a small stroke, this way will be the lightest on your body.

This is good advice, if you have had a stroke you want to make the job as easy on your body as you can!!

[davids3511]

Daz, there is no two ways about it, a van mount is better for almost any work I can think of. The faster you get the water on the window the quicker you can move on. This means a high flow rate and a big tank. Sure it can be done with less water but it is slower.

[groundhog]

Daz, there is no two ways about it, a van mount is better for almost any work I can think of. The faster you get the water on the window the quicker you can move on. This means a high flow rate and a big tank. Sure it can be done with less water but it is slower.

I couldn't have put it better myself!!!!!!!!! 

[BORBRYCE]

ive seen your video.was you being serious?you never rinsed the windows properly and whats the point in swapping poles for ground floor windows.running round and prancing like a tit!nobody runs round houses like that on a regular job!.
 
No offence Groundhog, Daz, you have a way with words.

[groundhog]

groundhog do you think I am stupid?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

[Martin OFarrell]

There seems to be pros and cons to both systems, still not sure ? on one hand I don't want to use my van exclusively for the business so may have to consider replacing it which I don't want to do or I get the trolley and put up with the hassle of changing the containers regularly (still not sure after how many average houses will I have to swap containers?). Fitness and strength aren't an issue because don't seem to be affected but going up a ladder and walking on roofs are not going to happen again because confidence is everything as all who have worked aloft will know. I'm not as bothered by the container changes as much as by the messing about at home with the filtration and refilling. I've been told that you leave your water supply constantly on then decant into a container, what about winter with the -4 temps we've had in the last few years ? I struggled to cope doing trad, surely the hoses and filtration units will freeze ! Thanks again to you all for all the help and advice.

[Tom White]

and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!!

Daz has went all smug now he's got an SL-X! 

[groundhog]

and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!!

Daz has went all smug now he's got an SL-X! 

I'm just amazed that you can understand what he's talking about with grammar like that!!! 

[Craig Trevain]

There seems to be pros and cons to both systems, still not sure ? on one hand I don't want to use my van exclusively for the business so may have to consider replacing it which I don't want to do or I get the trolley and put up with the hassle of changing the containers regularly (still not sure after how many average houses will I have to swap containers?). Fitness and strength aren't an issue because don't seem to be affected but going up a ladder and walking on roofs are not going to happen again because confidence is everything as all who have worked aloft will know. I'm not as bothered by the container changes as much as by the messing about at home with the filtration and refilling. I've been told that you leave your water supply constantly on then decant into a container, what about winter with the -4 temps we've had in the last few years ? I struggled to cope doing trad, surely the hoses and filtration units will freeze ! Thanks again to you all for all the help and advice.

Hi Mate


I'm glad your feeling better now, I think a trolley would be great for you.

I also at 39 had a stroke in January, again no weight issues, no blood pressure, none in family, never smoked, they thought it had happend in the scrum as i'd just played (pressure on vain)but mri/ct scan showed no problem with any vains, however after 2 months of trying to find out why, they found I was born with a hole in my heart, which was filled with an unbrella 2 weeks ago, luckily the clot was so small it has not left me with any after affects......so can start playing again next season.

I think staying off the ladder is wise.. and glad you have also been able to return to work etc.

Craig

[H S and Son]

I'm assuming that the trolleys don't have much hose then ? Do you have to take them close to the windows you are cleaning ?

Correct. Make sure you get at least 20m extension.

60 actually.

[Mike #1]

you can take ro unit in house over night in winter if needed i the temp does not drop below -8 i leave mine running all the time and it does'nt freeze up if your work is compact you should,nt have to much worry regarding container changes

[A & J Owen Window Cleaning]

sorry to hear you are not on par but you soon get back into things.have you had a look at a backpack system from windowcleaningwarehouse. co.uk. this might be up your alley mate.

[Martin OFarrell]

Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into. If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day. Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one
Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.

[groundhog]

Martin you seem determined to get a trolley, which is a mistake.. listen to the experienced guys on here who have been there and done that!! A van mount is the way to go.. 

[davids3511]

If Martin is looking at downsizing a trolly might get the job done. I need to get the maximun out of every day though so I couldn't manage without the van mount now. Martin may not be working with that sort of intensity anymore, depends on what he wants to do.

I started out with a backpack, 25ltr barrels and a Rover 45 so I do have experience of both. I believe I can get about 40% more work done using a van system and a high flow rate.

[Seymour Sunshine]

I'd recommend a trolley as a starter despite what groundhog and some others say.

It's a simple and easy route in - and trolleys are perfectly serviceable and get the job done, esp from Pure Freedom. There are plenty of guys using them and doing nicely for themselves.

And if you want to, you can use a trolley as part of a van-mounted system, but you can't use a van mount as a trolley.

Should you decide to move to a van mounted system the only additional equipment required is the a tank and hose. Everything that is needed to work a tank mount is already there on your Pure Freedom® Trolley. Just leave it folded down, plug into your tank and you are working. Then, for that “awkward to get to window” detach the trolley and go!

See: http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/complete-pure-freedom-25-litre-trolley-package-p-288.html

And have a look at this one as well from dazmond.

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=124417.msg1074718#msg1074718

[Mike #1]

not a mistake groundhog its a choice , they would'nt be making trolley's if there was'nt a market for them, if you look at martins initial post  he does'nt want a tank in the back of his classic  VW,


martin i us a water 280 ltr water but for outside storage , you can buy a jet pump or something similar from local aquatics shop for about Ł20-30:00 a bit extra for hose and you can transfer water quite quickly , i can fill 10 containers in less than 10 minutes, hope this helps


also when you get  a brush , you can fit it with 1mm pencil jets , which gives a higher pressure rinse with much lower flow rate than a brush with 2 or 3mm jets you can get the 1mm jets from cleantech