[Russ Chadd]

Hey Fintan

I have one left at the moment, the factory only make to order so its gonna be  about 6 weeks until i get more stock.
You are welcome to my last machine best email me  russchadd@talktalk.net

Cheers

Russ

[fitz2kleen]

Question I have to ask here is:

while an inline heater is possibly less effective heat wise it is fed from your tank, where as this heater needs to be either connected to a mains tap which would mean carrying various tap fittings depending on your clients water tap,a mains tap which means you need to charge your client for your water consumption,or carry a large water container in your van to supply this.
While an inline heater is costly on the electricity this is brunted by the client and not yourself.
this heater needs diesel of which you'd need the client to brunt that cost.
So is it cost effective in reality?
I'd be interested to hear how it becomes cost effective.

Regards Marc

[Mike Halliday]

if costing £1 a job in diesel  is making it not 'cost effective' then your are right.

cleaning with hot water is quicker so this shortens the job so you use less of everything, this will make it cost effective.

i would guess this machine would come into its own when used for hard surface cleaning, fitted to a spinner tool it becomes a great tile cleaner

[Russ Chadd]

Im not for one moment suggesting that you sell your in line heaters and replace with the Zeta, in line heaters still have their roll in heating water especially if you are working in lets say on the 5 th floor of a block of flats and the landlord has turned off the hot water tank!

Where the Zeta comes into its own is when you are working in lets say a Public house where the carpets are really filthy and you have access to a water supply like a hose pipe, or if you like a water tank on your van.

Remember when cleaning at 400psi the flow rate is less than 5 ltrs per min so you dont have to carry a huge supply of water for an average size job.

The machine also runs on Bio diesel, i can purchase bio diesel for less than 65p per litre so its very cheap to run! and your eco aware customers will love you!!

[Simon@arenaclean]

Maybe I'm missing something but could you not have an adapted hose, or change the fitting, and use the machine solution tank as a supply? It's sitting right there. Change inlet on the machine or simply put a hozelock on end and a QC to suit the extractor. You could even run the pump if supply flow is an issue. I think it would work and has peaked my interest further It's a solution to keeping mobile and a chore most portable users do anyway and negates the need for a tank.

[Russ Chadd]

Hi Simon, i see where you are coming from mate, so basically output from your extractor's solution quick connect into the pressure washer and then output from the pressure washer to the wand... why?

The extractor would still need to be topped up manually which defeats the object, also the extractor would probably not be able to supply enough flow to the pressure washer for it to work correctly.

Just use your extractor to extract the dirty water... use the pressure washer to supply heated water at 400psi +

[ryan mca]

Do you think this would work as a recovery unit ebay item  130470373250

[Simon@arenaclean]

"Hi Simon, i see where you are coming from mate, so basically output from your extractor's solution quick connect into the pressure washer and then output from the pressure washer to the wand... why?"

Russ,
It was in response to Marc's comments about tap fittments and or having a tank in the van. I agree topping up the solution tank is an issue but given you will have to empty the extractor at some point, unless you have a pump out system like Mike suggested, it's something us Porty users do any way. But your point is well made.

"The extractor would still need to be topped up manually which defeats the object, also the extractor would probably not be able to supply enough flow to the pressure washer for it to work correctly."

Would not the extractor be under pressure constantly feeding the pressure washer? If the through flow is an issue how would a tank in the van keep up? Most tripple and some twin vacs have 500psi+ pumps, would that not work?

If I was to go this route I would probably use the method you suggest I was really looking for alternatives to promote the discussion further, like with a cold supply one might like to add a chemical rinse easy with a tank but unless there is an injection system on the washer it's more difficult. I don't have nor have never used a TM or water temps above 60/70 degrees, and normally I rely on 'tap hot' but I have been considering an inline for sometime and your system is more appealing because as Fintan noted the pressure washer offers more flexibility as a stand alone unit. You have developed an interesting idea that works and have captured a lot of interest, I hope my questions and comments are seen as interest rather than anything else. I enjoy topics that get the brain working and some of the other suggestions have been excellent.

Simon

[M.Acorn]

The chemical addition is what I am mulling over,I always use fib and fab rinse and odour fresh,how would that be added at the correct dosage ?

[Russ Chadd]

Just add these chemicals using a pump sprayer and rince with fresh water... Works fine.

[clinton]

Mark russ is right and just spray and go mate as you normally do with the chemical

[M.Acorn]

So you mean after it's been extracted,just mist over with fib and fab and od fresh ?

[Russ Chadd]

Can do Mark or spray then rince 

[Fintan_Coll]

Does anyone know what is the difference between the Zeta and the Alberti Microjet 120.?

[Russ Chadd]

Hi Fintan

Well apart from being built by different manufacturers i really couldn't comment on the Alderti machine, the design and performance is similar to the Zeta.
I have visited the Idromatic factory in Italy and saw the production line where the Zeta was being made, I do know the Idromatic do not make this machine for any one else.

I can only comment on my own experience  with the Zeta, in the past i have supplied these machines to car valeters and small garages who offer service washers and engine steam cleaning . Its a good machine and if used correctly will give many years of trouble free use.

Anyone in the Aldershot area want to see the machine in action please get in touch and i would be happy to demonstrate

[neil kellett]

I use an alltec advance with the rotovac but the pump seems to be gone on the advance. When I fiil up the solution tank and start using the wands it leaks all over the place. I now have to use 2 sprayers one with the pre spray and one with hot pure water with a little odour fresh. Then just use the advance for what it is. An over priced wet vac ( just kidding its super ) .
Could I just use your machine for 90 degree water and hook up all of my wands to it and then still use the Advance the way I am now? Basically 2 machines in the back of the rig with one vac hose connected to the Advance and the other solution hose connected to your Zeta machine? Is that it?
That sounds fantabulous man!!!

[Russ Chadd]

Hi Neil

Shame you have a problem with your machine, might be worth getting the pump looked at, but to answer your question.. yes you would run two separate machines :

Your Advance machine does all the extracting and the Zeta does all the heating and pumping of the water, and if you are using a Rotovac i would imagine much better results when hooked up to the zeta.

Are you local to me? if so we should meet up and try your Rotovac out with the zeta!!

Shot another video today which shows the machine in detail, will send a link in a few hours as its still being uploaded to Youtube.

[Fintan_Coll]

Someone told me that the Alberti Microjet was the replacement for the Zeta but as you point out they are made by different manufacturers so this cannot be right. Don't know where he got that mis information from.

[Russ Chadd]

Well i was speaking to my friend only last week at the Idromatic factory and they have no plans to replace the Zeta with any other model, it has been in production now for about 15 years and the design has not changed.I think that says alot about keeping the design simple!!
The Microjet looks similar, however i don't see anyone distributing them here in the UK?

[neil kellett]

Hi Neil

Shame you have a problem with your machine, might be worth getting the pump looked at, but to answer your question.. yes you would run two separate machines :

Your Advance machine does all the extracting and the Zeta does all the heating and pumping of the water, and if you are using a Rotovac i would imagine much better results when hooked up to the zeta.

Are you local to me? if so we should meet up and try your Rotovac out with the zeta!!

Shot another video today which shows the machine in detail, will send a link in a few hours as its still being uploaded to Youtube.

No, I'm in Dublin. Can you ship that far, or are you out of stock, I read something about only having one left or something? I have been looking a hot boxes as the heat from the advance isn't great. Its boiling away in the solution tank but then it gets lost at the business end coming out of the upholstery tool. I can't understand it, its not even possible but it always only come out tepid unless you bleed it back into the solution tank for 3 or 4 minutes every time you want to use it!
I'm just doing micro sponge dry fusion c/c now as its cheaper for the clients. I always use the counter rotator to agitate the pre sprays too, then steam that to get it good and hot, and then extract after letting it dwell. But to combine your piece of kit with the heat along with the twin vac extraction of the Advance combined with the scrubbing power of the rotovac and the dwell time of the cleaner/ degreaser. Man! Now thats paradise.

Can you ship one of those to Ireland? I'm just concentrating on building a window cleaning round at the mo, I got out of the commercial and just do residential, I'm WFP - ionics. I'm gonna look at your Zeta more closely but its brilliant from what Iv seen so far. Is it true that some of the newer chemicals, the micro splitters and stuff are designed to work better at lower temps, say 60 - 65 degrees. Anyone know?