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Robin Ray

Kardean...
« on: April 25, 2011, 09:44:32 pm »
Hi I'm soon to be the owner of a 17" numatic 1500 150rpm. I bought it so I can start doing hard floor scrubs and the odd LM if i get the chance. anyway..

I have a job doing some Kardean flooring in a kitchen. Kardean recomend using their "basic stripper" and their white pad and on a stick. Then finishing off with their "refresh". I was thinking of doing the same thing but using the rotary to speed things up. The floor is quite in grained with dirt, what pad would you recomend, I was wondering if a white pad will be enough. I,ve not used a rotary before, only briefly when training for carpets. Any advice would be great.

Thanks

Rob

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 10:17:32 pm »
The Karndean stuff is fairly low powered. If you need to strip any finish fro the floor I would advise getting something a little stronger. Rinse neutralise and apply some acrylic dressing in the customers desired gloss level. Satin is usually best. Prochem have a nice range of products that should be easily obtainable. Prostrip to remove, Prorinse to neutralise then Proshine (Gloss) to finish. LVT doesnt need sealing so no need for any Proseal. An alternative is the Johnsons Carefree range although I wouldnt recommend doing the whole no scrub, no rinse method. Chemspec have a good range of products too. High Power Sripper and Tight Shine is a mighty combination that will give quick results.

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 10:20:09 pm »
White pads are only good for polishing. You want to use a blue or green pad. If heavy build up possibly a black. Unlikely. It's also worth buying decent quality pads. Many out there don't really have the life and are only good for around 50m2 before they loose their bite.

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 10:23:53 pm »
Protect skirting boards, don't get kick plates wet or they may blow. Hot Neutral Floor Cleaner or Prochem Alkleen will do the work if it's only soil that's present. Best double check with the customer they haven't been applying coats of finish to the floor.

Robin Ray

Re: Kardean...
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 10:34:33 pm »
Thanks

Its never been resealed since its been down so build up isnt a problem. Its just dirt, the floor is wood gain effect so the dirt is in all the grainy bits. I was even thinking if a brush might be better? I will get some pads though.

I have been a bit worried about using other products on it as karndean are insisant that their products should only be used for the warrantee to be valid. Have you used these other products with no problems yourself?

Thanks

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 11:04:36 pm »
Yes. The biggest enemy is the severe abrasion.

If you can source some Dr.Schutz products you won't have a problem.

They do Medica Hard Sealer and some strippers and cleaners that will be suitable.

If it's really heavy grain patterns then a crb machine will work well.
You may not need pads unless there is a lot of scuffing.

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 11:06:04 pm »
I have done work with the Karndean products when the customer doesn't want to risk it. It's their floor and their call at end of day.

Jim_77

Re: Kardean...
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 01:13:38 am »
Check very carefully the warranty situation.  You'll find more often than not that they've invalidated their warranty by not having the floor either sealed in the first place or not maintained regularly enough.  It's pretty much a guarantee that the average customer has breached it in some way because they didn't read the small print.

In truth, if it's trashed you have to give it some welly.  Strong, high alkaline floor stripper, scrub/dwell and then a real thorough rinse.  Blue is the official coarsest grade of pad recommended but in the real world when the floor is already trashed you make your own judgement calls (I regularly use a black pad with no problems, but you need to be sure)

Karndean products are crap, use your own professional stripper of choice and Amtico dressing for a less shiny finish than professional vinyl polishes normally give (always ask customer what finish they want).

A scrubbing pad will ALWAYS get into scratches/grain a lot better than a brush.  Why?  Pull out one fibre form a scrubbing pad and compare it to the thickness of a bristle from your brush.  Much thinner.  When under compression it is forced into the scratches, and a lot more surface contact is made.

Science lesson over ;)

John Kelly

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 07:40:57 am »
I believe Amtico products are Carefree re-labeled and about twice the price.

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2011, 07:56:19 am »
and Karndean products are weaker versions of the Dr.Schutz range.

colin fitch

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 08:15:00 am »
I believe Amtico products are Johnsons Carefree re-labeled and about twice the price

colin.

Billy Russell

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Re: Kardean...
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 09:50:58 am »
John, Is Colin Fitch the name of your parrot????  ;D ;D

Robin Ray

Re: Kardean...
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 04:05:48 pm »
Cheers Jim.

Jim_77

Re: Kardean...
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2011, 12:41:16 am »
PIECES OF EIGHT! ;D