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Perfect Windows

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Re: starting up
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2011, 11:44:46 am »
Ref franchising:  As I said earlier, it depends upon the franchise.

Some just draw a circle on a map and say "there you go, here's some guidance on how to build a business".  That's no way to start off.  Some will guarantee you a certain level of work.  At least one out there will guarantee as much work as you want to take on.  That probably makes sense, for example, for someone who is terrified of doorknocking/canvassing/marketing on a large scale, etc.  Obviously, you pay for the support you're getting.  And yes, some take the mick.

So, just to say "avoid franchises" is pretty poor advice, IMHO.  Good ones can be great.  Bad ones can be terrible.  Like everything in life, really...

Vin.

Nameless Drudge

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Re: starting up
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2011, 03:36:53 pm »
Avoid franchises in window cleaning is pretty damn good advice rather than pretty poor advice and i am happy to tackle anyone with any figures on the table to explain exactly why.

 Strangely though,running your own succesful window cleaning business and then franchising to others would be seen as good advice and theoretically removes one from the daily grind of manual labour and a way to achieve higher income.

Supporters of franchising window cleaning rounds generally if not without exception have this ideology at the back of their minds and therefore the advice is biased.

Perfect Windows

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Re: starting up
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2011, 03:57:27 pm »
Avoid franchises in window cleaning is pretty damn good advice rather than pretty poor advice and i am happy to tackle anyone with any figures on the table to explain exactly why.

 Strangely though,running your own succesful window cleaning business and then franchising to others would be seen as good advice and theoretically removes one from the daily grind of manual labour and a way to achieve higher income.

Supporters of franchising window cleaning rounds generally if not without exception have this ideology at the back of their minds and therefore the advice is biased.

I know the figures you disagree with: It would indeed be daft for you to buy a franchise.

Well, put yourself in someone else's shoes and bear in mind that not everyone has your business brain.  So, they aren't going to do the planning and surrounding work involved in setting themselves up.  They aren't going to knock on doors to build up a round/plan large leaflet campaigns.   In which case they are stuck.  They can buy a round, sure, but that's fraught with ways to be ripped off, so they may shy away from that as well.  So they drift away.

Alternatively, they are prepared to buy a service from a franchisor whereby they get the round, the kit and the support in how to run a successful window cleaning business.  For that they pay an initial fee on top of the kit they buy (largely as a form of commitment); compared to buying a round it should be pretty trivial.  The way all this is paid for is as an ongoing fee.

Now, as I say, you have to take yourself and your clear business-starting abilities out of this.  Once you do this, can't you see that there are people out there perfectly suited to that kind of business?  If you can't see that, fine, but to me it's as clear as day.

Vin

Nameless Drudge

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Re: starting up
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2011, 04:31:29 pm »
I can agree with that and perhaps at a later date its only fair that they should pay me rather than some unscrupulous franchisor.
 Though an inherent weakness in me wants to educate this type of person so as to not need to pay me or anyone else.

I cant believe i`m on holiday in a different country and logged in here but perhaps it was meant to be and your last post perfect windows has me now thinking that of course i would be doing this type of person(the franchisee) a massive favour whilst being handsomely paid for it.Its a Win Win for both parties.I`m trying my hardest to believe this but i keep coming back to the word exploitation. I will persevere for now but am unlikely to succeed as i no longer measure wealth in banknotes.

Dave66

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Re: starting up
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2011, 04:33:52 pm »
Don't touch a franchise as a franchisee - the only people who seem to make money from franchising are the franchisors!

And as for going on training courses - sheesh! It's window cleaning - you don't need a flash geezer in a BMW in a suit telling you what to do.

If you must do it then buy some work and build the rest by canvassing. Get a sound secondhand van and build your own system.

But with a baby on the way, a house move and a September start I think unless you have good dosh behind you then you are going to have a hellish time. If that baby is your first then you should be milking your present job for everything - paternity leave holidays the lot.

Look at window cleaning next March and spend the rest of the time thinking it through; go out with a windy in the depths of winter or the pouring rain and weep as you recall those warm moments round the coffee machine chatting up young Julie from accounts while sharing a doughnut or two!

Use the next 12 months to really plan your move - September is way too soon with what you've got coming up on your already full plate.

The grass is always greener.
;D
plenty of cream...plenty of sugar!

Perfect Windows

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Re: starting up
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2011, 04:41:48 pm »
I can agree with that and perhaps at a later date its only fair that they should pay me rather than some unscrupulous franchisor.
 Though an inherent weakness in me wants to educate this type of person so as to not need to pay me or anyone else.

I cant believe i`m on holiday in a different country and logged in here but perhaps it was meant to be and your last post perfect windows has me now thinking that of course i would be doing this type of person(the franchisee) a massive favour whilst being handsomely paid for it.Its a Win Win for both parties.I`m trying my hardest to believe this but i keep coming back to the word exploitation. I will persevere for now but am unlikely to succeed as i no longer measure wealth in banknotes.

What are you doing logging on on holiday?  Have a break!

Just wondering, back to the original poster, what's the going rate for renting out a round?  Might that be a good start?

Vin