[dave.e]

Hi guys
 i have been cleaning windows with pencil jets for the last 6 years. i have been told that fan jets clean better and is quicker can you please shed some light on what you think is best and why before i order some cheers Dave

[A & J Owen Window Cleaning]

hi dave you ok can say pencil jets are more controllable on the glass with fans you wash a lot of the crap down without knowing mate must say for gutter cleans you cant beat the fans hands down mate

[dave.e]

hi dave you ok can say pencil jets are more controllable on the glass with fans you wash a lot of the crap down without knowing mate must say for gutter cleans you cant beat the fans hands down mate

thanks mate

[ian1972]

I have used both and pencil are what I find best on maintenance cleans as more controllable

[dave.e]

I have used both and pencil are what I find best on maintenance cleans as more controllable

thanks ian i think i mite stop with pencils then.

[scud]

  Fan jets are the future!

  I changed to them about a year ago, after 5 years with pencils, they take a bit of getting used to, but once you are there you will be as quick with less water usage, and much quicker on beading glass.

  The only downside to them is they do get easily affected by tiny bits of dirt getting trapped in them every now and then, which is a pain to clear out again.

[Panorama]

im thinking of getting fans for my spare brush, for domestic what is the best to use , 40 degrees or 60 degrees

[Jeff Brimble]

This question has been asked for the last 12 years, its whatever you prefer and trying to persuade someone otherwise doesnt work.
You will have to have a higher pressure to make fans work.

[Panorama]

jeff at the moment im working at 1.5 litres per minute, would this be a suitable pressure for the 40 degree fan jet to work

[Spruce]

jeff at the moment im working at 1.5 litres per minute, would this be a suitable pressure for the 40 degree fan jet to work

1.5 litres per minute is water flow and not water pressure although the 2 are linked. If you have a small jet and you are pumping water through it at a pressure of 20psi you will get a flow of X litres per minute. If you increase the pressure to 40psi through the same jet you will get an increased amount of water through the same jet as the pump is forcing more through it.

I watched a friend using jets the other day, and I guess his flow rate was probably about 2.5litres a minute. The reason why I think that is that he also has pencils that he can swop with on the same brush, and his flow through them was much greater than mine at 1.5 lpm. Although these fan jets flooded the window he rinsed them in a couple of seconds, so he is probably saving water and cleaning more windows in the meantime.

If you have a 5 lpm Shurflo 100psi pump with an electronic controller, you will be able to find a setting that will work perfectly with fans. I haven't used the latest generation of fan jets, but I know his equipment and have seen him working with them.

Maybe someone out there can measure their lpm flow rate and let you know how much water they find works ideally.

Spruce

[Smudger]

You guys feel free to stick with your pencil jets, but i suggest you put your prejudice aside
and try a decent set of fans (lumark) in a decent dual trim mono brush with an aqua daptor.

until you have you cant even start to guess at the acuracy and quality of the clean & as a result speed
of cleaning windows - their is no overspay whatsoever.

of course fans are to for eveyone and sometimes it's an effort to change and try something new after years
of doing a job a certain way but i for one could not return to pencil jets

Darran

[Spruce]

im thinking of getting fans for my spare brush, for domestic what is the best to use , 40 degrees or 60 degrees

If you are using a standard brush head then the 40's are fine. You would use the 60's on a wider 16" brush for example, so the 60's are a lot less popular.

In the early days we used the wider Salmon brush, so fans where the right way to go. If you stayed with pencils then you needed to have 4 jets per brush head.

[Panorama]

So would 2 fans be suitable for my gardiners super lite duel trim or would I have to drill 2 extra holes?

[Lee GLS]

you would have to knock the pencil jets out and then drill the holes to 12mm to fit the fan jets in.

[Panorama]

Smudger , are the lumark the blue ones that gardiners sell ?

[Lee GLS]

Smudger , are the lumark the blue ones that gardiners sell ?

im not smudger  but they are the ones gardiners sell.

[Panorama]

I know you're not smudger  Lee lol but I posted when you'd replied lol. Lee do I have to remove any bristles After fitting the fans ?

[Lee GLS]

i think i removed 4 bunches altogether, the bigger hole interfered with them so it was better just to pull them out, it obvious which ones they are when you look at it.

[Smudger]

Morning,

Yes they are available from Gardiners, but i just got some from cleaning spot and the brass body now
comes with a thread - so if you drill 11mm dia you can screw the fan jet into place, no glue required.

i trim 2 bunches either side of the jet to allow a full spray.

Darran

[Darranvps]

For cleaning the car you can't beat fan jets