[H S and Son]

Anyone here clean town house gutters off a ladder?

Ive just had an enquiry of that nature but when he told me it was a town house I suggested passing it on to a fellow window clenaer on here who has a gutter-vac. He insisted he wanted it done off a ladder.

I tried to explain about the safety aspect and his responsibility towards safety in the work place but he wasn't having it.



Anyone got any opinions on this?

[wpclean]

He obviously does not care about other peoples welfare, so I would just ignore him and let him it do it himself !

[jay kingston]

Working off a ladder at 3rd floor is madness.
Whoever takes this type of work on has no regard for their own safety.
And is also breaking the law!!!!!H&S
Does he not realize that he is also responsible for any unsafe practices
being carried out on his property and is also liable.


Jay

[bumper]

yea and he wanted doing for £20 i bet

[the bfg]

Anyone here clean town house gutters off a ladder?

Ive just had an enquiry of that nature but when he told me it was a town house I suggested passing it on to a fellow window clenaer on here who has a gutter-vac. He insisted he wanted it done off a ladder.

I tried to explain about the safety aspect and his responsibility towards safety in the work place but he wasn't having it.



Anyone got any opinions on this?

yes tell him to hire a chery picker to do it but personally I would tell him to shove it right up his jacksy

[richard jagger]

The guy is a Dick.I have  gone up 3 levels on a ladder its scurry.Tell him you will rent him your ladder so he can go up .He will shiiiiite himself.

[VSP Home Care]

Working off a ladder at 3rd floor is madness.
Whoever takes this type of work on has no regard for their own safety.
And is also breaking the law!!!!!H&S
Does he not realize that he is also responsible for any unsafe practices
being carried out on his property and is also liable.


Jay

Hi Jay, can you explain this to me please.  If for instance you use a fixing to tie the ladder to the wall and use a fall arrest harness with someone footing the ladder how would that be breaking the law.  I'm not having a pop just interested to learn, I'm confused (easily done I know) but for instance, when sky last visited next door the guy fixed his ladder to the wall properly and worked on the roof and walls at about 30 feet up.  I'm also fairly sure my last insurance quote allows a working height of 15m.

Gav

[erithwc]

rent the idot a ladder and let im do the job himself.

my money is on the guy crapping himself 3 meters off the floor  

[VSP Home Care]

rent the idot a ladder and let im do the job himself.

my money is on the guy crapping himself 3 meters of the floor 

That's a fair point    Also might be worth taking along a video cam    If he don't tie it down or foot it then he will be bouncing like a trooper at about 20 foot 

[richard jagger]

For heroes who dough read this..
http://www.windowcleaningresources.co.uk/html/health_and_safety.html
 

[bobplum]

Working off a ladder at 3rd floor is madness.
Whoever takes this type of work on has no regard for their own safety.
And is also breaking the law!!!!!H&S
Does he not realize that he is also responsible for any unsafe practices
being carried out on his property and is also liable.


Jay

Hi Jay, can you explain this to me please.  If for instance you use a fixing to tie the ladder to the wall and use a fall arrest harness with someone footing the ladder how would that be breaking the law.  I'm not having a pop just interested to learn, I'm confused (easily done I know) but for instance, when sky last visited next door the guy fixed his ladder to the wall properly and worked on the roof and walls at about 30 feet up.  I'm also fairly sure my last insurance quote allows a working height of 15m.

Gav

im the same as you gav
my understanding is that "if there is an alternative method to ladders" now that is not breaking the law
another way to look at it why are ladders still manufactured to reach  say 50,60,ft hieghts?
bob

[VSP Home Care]

I'm no expert in matters of the Law and H&S but it does seem like a very grey area.  It's not practical to hire a picker or tower for a small job.  Other trades regularly use ladders at hight, like the Sky men.  I hear they are now required to fix securing bolts or they can't do the job.

I found this out when the Sky man woke me up at 8:20am on a Sunday drilling out the wall 

[H S and Son]

Anyone here clean town house gutters off a ladder?

Ive just had an enquiry of that nature but when he told me it was a town house I suggested passing it on to a fellow window clenaer on here who has a gutter-vac. He insisted he wanted it done off a ladder.

I tried to explain about the safety aspect and his responsibility towards safety in the work place but he wasn't having it.



Anyone got any opinions on this?

yes tell him to hire a chery picker to do it but personally I would tell him to shove it right up his jacksy

Twas you I had in mind for the gutter-vac mate.

Anyway, I did offer to help him out with a ladder so he could do it himself but at no point in the conversation was I tempted to take up his offer of work. He got a tad edgy when I started talking about helath and safety at work and his obvious lack of concern for others safety, it was at this point he terminated the phone call.

[jay kingston]

Chaps

Because in this day and age where everything is risk assessed H&S would
be looking at how the job was undertaken and if it was carried out in the safest manner if anyone was to become seriously injured ie falling from above 3rd floor height. You would then be liable(if you lived)Can you honestly say using a ladder is a safe option considering how many times the ladder has to be moved and the use of tools and buckets even with the use of harnesses.We all know how unstable ladders are at that height.
A cherry picker or vacuum is what should be used,in my opinion.

Jay

[NJWindowCleaning]

Your not breaking this law as police dont arrest you if they saw you up the ladder. As H&S only advise you to seek a safer way of doing the job and so this myth about ladders been band.
If your a sole trader that works by themselves them using ladders will be ok but if you have more than one worker and your the boss then you are not going to liable for someone else fault if they dont use the equipment properly.  

[VSP Home Care]

Chaps

Because in this day and age where everything is risk assessed H&S would
be looking at how the job was undertaken and if it was carried out in the safest manner if anyone was to become seriously injured ie falling from above 3rd floor height. You would then be liable(if you lived)Can you honestly say using a ladder is a safe option considering how many times the ladder has to be moved and the use of tools and buckets even with the use of harnesses.We all know how unstable ladders are at that height.
A cherry picker or vacuum is what should be used,in my opinion.

Jay

Thanks Jay.  I feel it's a thing that has to be assessed on site really, don't get me wrong when it comes to falling from height I'm no fan at all    I have no urge to sit in a chair or lay in a box 

[idealrob]

Your not breaking this law as police dont arrest you if they saw you up the ladder. As H&S only advise you to seek a safer way of doing the job and so this myth about ladders been band.
If your a sole trader that works by themselves them using ladders will be ok but if you have more than one worker and your the boss then you are not going to liable for someone else fault if they dont use the equipment properly.  

H & S prosecute, have a look on their website and see hundreds of prosecutions. And cleaning gutters out using a ladder unsecured and without a full written risk assesment is breaking law.period.

idealrob

[colin purewater]

dont waist your minutes ringing him back mate, dont give a poop about people who dont give a poop!!

[the bfg]

if someone did do that job off ladders and had a fall,   who would actually be liable ?

the bloke doing the job  or the owner of the property for allowing unsecure ladders to be used on his property ?

[idealrob]

on  a commercial both would be liable, thats why both get fined same amount fron H & S, to stop companies picking cheapest price and not using companies that dont take H & S seriously.
As for a domestic customer, I, and i dont say this very often are not 100% sure, but the home owner would not be liable imo, and remember the law states that is ladders are used need to be secured and afull written risk assesment done. Dont think many domestic home owners woild know how to do this, or for that matter half the window cleaners either.

idealrob