[Lee GLS]

I never understood this
The frames are part of the window,leaving the frames I would expect from cowboy window cleaners,you either do the job properly or not at all :
Do you guys have no shame.

IMO it was born from the wfp operator, desperate to convince the client of any & every benefit possible in an attempt to convince them of the method.

Never had a complaint or request to clean the top frame in 7 years wfp.

Reality & what is thrown around on here are TWO completely different things! Learn this & you are free.

I have to agree with this, i do the frames on upvc, but not on other types of windows, and it was definitely a way of trying to get the customers on side when i changed over.

As for being window cleaner and we should be cleaning the glass and frame, well that is down to your own interpretation and what you feel happy doing. Just because someone doesn't clean the frames doesn't mean that he is a cowboy, after all if the customers expected the frames to be cleaned each time because we are "window cleaners" surly then that would be the industry standard, to clean the glass and the frames, but it isn't, people who was an window cleaner was their glass cleaned because they don't like looking out of dirty windows, and a periodic clean of the frame suffices.

So its entirely up to you wether you want to clean the frames or not, admittedly, when cleaning with WFP it is probably easier to get a problem free clean by doing the frames as well especially for newbies, but as other have stated, they dont clean the frames, just the glass, then it isn't essential to clean the frames.

[dazmond]

i clean plenty of small 3 bed semis for £6,£7,£8.a hundred and fifty of em practically all right next door to each other and i  clean frames,sills and a quick scrim of doors.

once the first cleans are out of the way its just a case of minimum maintenance cleaning on 4 weeklies that takes no longer than trad cleaning.

thats why wfp is a much more thorough clean because frames are included without it taking anymore time than it would if you were doing them by hand.plus as we all know the quality is usually higher with pure water rather than a cloth.


dazmond

[Sean Dyer]

I think that i wil clean the frames when i am paid extra to do so end of, no customer has ever expected any different, never will

So how did you sell wfp to your customers then sean?

I didnt have too, i bought alot of work which was wfp where they actually pay extra for frame cleaning, and my own custies that have been converted, i have just told them we are using a different method which cleans windows we couldn't reach before, and is safer for me, i have not said i will be cleaning frames as otherwise i will be there all year the first cleans, they will still pay more for frame cleaning, i do offer it on top of cleans for a small premium , i dont charge alot for it as i do admit once you are poling them regular its not as time consuming as trad, BUT i find having to clean the top frams slows me down alot as i worry about the drips etc

However, i dont necessarily feel one way is right, and one wrong, if it works for your business and your prices then that is great, but for me i cant do both for the one price, and do not find it affects my business adversely as i am not expected to do this

[jouk45]

this does not make any sense to me at all, if you are wfp, why?? not do the frames at the same time, it only takes a few seconds extra?? the whole point of wfp is the benefits of this system, keep it simple, clean the glass, doors, frames, and garage, this is what splits  us apart from trad, the custys i have would never look back after seeing what wfp does, it is working great here in scotland, my personal opinion is, if you split wfp in to sections, you are leaving yourself vunarable to the old method, (trad) to step right back in,

[james44]

Totally agree jouk just doing the glass and not the frames with wfp is as no benefit to the customer!

[awcs]

frames and glass done every time. if i get a cup of tea, garage door done. mind you, customers have caught on to this seem to drink tea on nearly every job now

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

so ronnie whats yr technique 

[dai]

If you clean that top frame with vents every time, then the job will take a lot longer if your going to get them spotless.
The only sure way is to do all the top frames first, and only do the rest when that top frame is dry.
It's OK saying if you do them right on the first clean then you won't have problems, but the jobs I do inside and out tell me different.
Water running down behind the vents can leave runs no matter how careful you are on first cleans, that's my experience anyway.

[andyM]

On top frames with vents I tend to sweep across the top of the vent just with a wet brush and then clean to the left then to the right of the vent with the flow on. Its usually only a problem if you get water into the underside of the vent then you will get the dirty water drips.

[ronnie paton]

so has any one got any vids?

i did the frames every time for months but i found my results were far better when leaving the top bar and detailsing(being careful at the top)

if seen many about in my time using different methods but iv also checked many peoples results too(i know sad)
 so i would love to not have to be careful at the top(detail) do all the frames without hassle but it never worked.

but im open ti change my mind, dont say you didnt rinse enough because there were days were i wasnt doing much more than 1 house a hour, also dont come on saying do all the frames and then all the glass i would be there all bloody week lol

[John Walker]

I beg to differ, altho 4 wky clean does not always require the frame to be washed i do it as a matter of course
and i find this eliminates any dirty drips after washing - even with vents, take the time to fully clean 1st time
round and followings cleans are quick and easy - i have only ever got dirty drips when firing water right up
inside the vent - keep the brush at the correct angle as this will not happen.

it's each to their own and what the job allows - mine are priced for frames, sills and glass wether trad or WFP

Darran

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DITTO

[Smudger]

uPVC frames dont hold the dirt so washing the top (vent or not) frame will wash away all the dirt so can only
drip clean pure water.

and frames done 4 wky, have so little build up that 1 pass is enough.

even on my first cleans where i have then done insides show no signs of spotting or getting runs.

crappy wood frames ( and i mean badly flaking or going rotten - not good condition/well painted one ) can
be more tricky.

otherwise a good high flowrate and brush round will leave spot free glass

Darran

[Sir Squeaky]

There is no set answer.

Generally glass only, but every now and then a bit of frames when it starts to look dirty.

Frames on new cleans every time.

[Slash]

Well I think the poll speaks for itself,frames every time!