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Johnny B

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Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« on: January 08, 2011, 11:13:54 pm »
... from a serious tradder!

I seems to me a fair statement that WFP guys make more money than us old tradders, from what I have read on here.

I won't ask you to reveal how much you turn over each week, but I would be interested to know what gear you use and how much it costs to maintain and repair it each week.

John. 
Being diplomatic is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 11:16:14 pm »
i got a 400 diy tank and 2 xtel poles,  most i spend is £20 a month on resin,  other than that i dont really spend a lot

Lee GLS

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 11:29:29 pm »
I have a 650l ro system, it cost me £20 in pre filters every 5 months £25 in resin every 4 months, and the ro membrane should last 2 years min, and they are £250.

Richard Neal

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 11:32:26 pm »
About a grand all in for some 2nd hand and some new gear, i was trad for years first so had the van etc, havent replaced resin since august and RO is still good, apart from the odd fitting breaking/ wearing out i dont spend anything on parts.

I earn as much as i can  ;D
Im not scared of heights, just falling from them.
mrwindowclean@hotmail.co.uk

richywilts

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 12:49:34 am »
im at the other end of the scale its cost me a fortune to be honest i cud go on and on and on what iv had to buy,replace,bodge etc etc
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

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Mike #1

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 07:09:39 am »
never had to replace ro membranes in nearly 3 yrs or di resin spent over £1600 all in,  running costs to maintain equipment a few quid a year

formb

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 07:14:19 am »
You can get everything you need for 1000 provided you are competent at diy.

Running costs is dependent on your mains water, is it on a meter? Are you in a hard water area?

Smudger

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 10:18:46 am »
When i started out i got a van and DIY system in it for £1100.

ro system  - £250 other odds and ends £100   so fully working for £1450


over the last year have brought new SLX & SL2 poles upgraded tank size - new brush heads etc.. 
but these were because i wanted better equipment or soon outgrew the original equipment.


i average a new brush every other month  @ £30.00
resin - 1 bag per 6 months @ £75.00
filters etc    @ £20 per 6 months

cant think of a lot else other than your normal business costs....


wfp work usually earns between 30 to 50 per cent more ph than trad work

Darran


Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Dave Willis

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2011, 10:29:25 am »
£10,000 this tax year so far but I have changed vans.
Usually costs me well over £4000 in expenses. My water rates alone are over £20 per week then there is fuel at £40 a week or more. Resin £80 for the year, poles, filters and membranes - £500 a year at least.
Depends how you work, I know one guy who works from a trolley and probably spends less than £100 on kit per year.

lee09

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2011, 10:41:18 am »
Hi
You will save time going wfp. In that time you will take on more work thus earning more.
You will spend time maintaining and managing your water and a small fortune buying new and different bits of wfp kit
So in short you will earn more but will also spend more.
You will be safer at work though. (and grow a belly!)
Lee

Lee GLS

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2011, 10:56:11 am »
Smudger, what do you do to brushes for them to wear out in 2 months?

DaveG

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2011, 10:59:27 am »
Im still using the brush I bought last year with my SLX, and that was second hand :o
You can't polish a turd

Poles R Us

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2011, 11:15:09 am »
500ltr RO van mount , there is a photo of it on here some were .

Poles R Us

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 11:19:17 am »
here

chez

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2011, 08:22:35 pm »
Hey. Bought a brodex system just under 2 years ago. vw Transporter- previously only ever used a car - and stunk of cloths !! >:( 650l tank with RO and resin. Not on a water meter so no costs there. Have changed the pre filter once cost £5. Ro membrane still produces same quality water as when I first use it - but you have to flush regularly. Changed resin once in 2 years £35. Only real maintenance has been the brushes: Unger wore out to quickly {all fibre glass} Brodex brushes I bought with the van too heavy. So found that the best for me are the gardener brushes. Have a brodex 6 ft   Gardener 22ft use the most and a 36ft Brodex alloy which i hate but only use it one day in 4 weeks for high work. Gonna swap it for a lighter gardener 40ft in the spring.
I have been a window cleaner for 25 years. Earnings wise I have literally doubled my turn over in the first year I turned wfp and I now work less. Lost a few custys in the first 6 months of the swap over but gained 2 more for every one I lost. long winded but it lets you know where I come from!! :o :)

cat9921

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2011, 07:56:01 am »
... from a serious tradder!

I seems to me a fair statement that WFP guys make more money than us old tradders, from what I have read on here.

I won't ask you to reveal how much you turn over each week, but I would be interested to know what gear you use and how much it costs to maintain and repair it each week.

John. 

That's if you believe what people post  ::)

But being a window cleaner that uses WFP I have seen my profit rises so yes you do earn more with WFP

Londoner

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2011, 08:02:06 am »
Smudger, what do you do to brushes for them to wear out in 2 months?

Brush fetish, its been discussed elsewhere.

window11

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Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2011, 08:03:09 am »
I also make much more money from going wfp, i did lose ooo i would say around 40 odd in total over aroud 1 and a half years for changing, how ever, iv made more back and they cost more so its quids in really.

Not a lot of running costs, im di only, my resin seems to last for ages, 4 months easy, i do let it run to about 10 on the meter, beleive it or not they just dont streek at the level, i dnt know why. Reg cleans i guess..

But you still cant beat a bit trad, just to keep you on your toes..

Londoner

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2011, 08:09:19 am »
 A new main pole every year, say £120. New pump or flow controller every couple of years or so. Submersible pump about the same.

But then you are not buying new squeegie rubbers and they can add up over a year. Scrim etc. Plus the hidden costs like washing machine.

Alex Allen

Re: Serious question for WFP'ers ...
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2011, 01:32:59 pm »
... from a serious tradder!

I seems to me a fair statement that WFP guys make more money than us old tradders, from what I have read on here.

I won't ask you to reveal how much you turn over each week, but I would be interested to know what gear you use and how much it costs to maintain and repair it each week.

John. 


you can make more money with wfp
but i know tradders who earn £45k every year
so being a tradder isnt that bad

you main cost will be the set up cost for the system
operating cost for wfp arn't significant if your income is ok
and you know what you are doing