[Mike Halliday]

I've been as guilty as anyone for calling bonnet cleaning 'muck spreading' insinuating that bonnet cleaning doesn't remove dirt but just spreads it around so the overall the carpet looks cleaner

but for anyone else who believes this to be true watch this video i filmed to day and try and work out where the dirt was spread to

this was office reception and was grafted, there was no no pre-spray just straight across with the bonnet spraying chemspecs DFC..... not a bad result

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ74652SOac

[andrew christopher]

Mike,

Is that an op machine?  If so what difference do you think OP makes over an ordinary rotary?

Is DFC an encap solution?

[Steve. Taylor]

Mike another good video. like the op machine your using there with the jets on the front. stays on the wheels bit like cutting the grass a lot less bother than a hover. oops rotary 

Results are good but slow have played with that method myself with purclean i use this method now

1 good vac/rake
2 mix warm pureclean pour it into rotowash R4 about 5 litres spray agitate in one go any crap is picked up by the roller at the same time when it comes in contact with the drum scraper.

Then i switch to the rotary place pad on a plastic tray pour about 3 cups of boiling water from kettle on to pad no chemical needed on pad. then cover 12 to 20m2 depending on soiling then flip it over change for a new pad no wringer for me.

[Mike Halliday]

Andrew it is an ops machine I bought it from solutionsUK I think they are going to start selling these.

I think it does a better job than a rotory and is easier to use.

DFC is Chemspecs Microsplitter (like pureclean).

steve it was a bit slow on this section becuase it was very bad on the rest of the office it only required a single pass...but your process seems to be quite a slow method

[Steve. Taylor]

Yep cant argue with that not the quickest method but the results are the best i have had this way.
clean a large hotel entrance like this every 3 months h/w/e once a year. they are so pleased with the results i now have to do the hallways, gonna be like that bridge where you get to the end and start again

Only got the job because there nilfisk machine broke right place right time

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Looks dead easy to use but why is it so heavy?

Shaun

[wynne jones]

It looks very impressive, partly because you are mopping up the prespray that made it look a lot darker than when dry. I would send that on a DVD to businesses. Watermarks are another great one to do.

Let's just be honest about it though, you ARE spreading it about and you ARE not cleaning deep down. The amount of poo that comes off the pads may look impressive but it's not that much really. Does it look good, is it quick and cheap? Yes, Yes Yes. Do you have happy clients who come back? Certainly. There's no need to try a justify padding as a pure extraction system though. 

[Mike Halliday]

It looks very impressive, partly because you are mopping up the prespray that made it look a lot darker than when dry. I would send that on a DVD to businesses. Watermarks are another great one to do.

Let's just be honest about it though, you ARE spreading it about and you ARE not cleaning deep down. The amount of poo that comes off the pads may look impressive but it's not that much really. Does it look good, is it quick and cheap? Yes, Yes Yes. Do you have happy clients who come back? Certainly. There's no need to try a justify padding as a pure extraction system though. 

i don't understand what you are saying..... I've highlighted the confusing points.

when i do the first pass down the centre either side is dry, how is mopping up prespray involved to create the difference? where is the dirt spread to? I don't pass over any carpet that is not soiled.

your post makes no sense

[Mike Halliday]

shaun sorry missed your question, its heavy because every bit of it is chunky big slices of metal, its hard to see but they have gone overboard on the frame

[jasonl]

Did you pre vac Mike?

On a low pro like that I have out cleaned A TM several times.

all that is happening is that the dry soil is being absorbed in 1  fiftieth of the moisture as a TM.  A Tm on this type of carpet cannot possbly be cleaning much deeper , as the carpet pile that is flattened is rarely deeper than 5mm.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Going to Cornwall next week if you have any recommendations I'll pass them on.

Shaun

[Mike Halliday]

shaun, the jets drip constantly so if you leave it standing in one place it leaves a damp patch.

the powercord gets trapped when lowering the drive plate.


Jason, no pre-vac

[wynne jones]

It looks very impressive, partly because you are mopping up the prespray that made it look a lot darker than when dry. I would send that on a DVD to businesses. Watermarks are another great one to do.

Let's just be honest about it though, you ARE spreading it about and you ARE not cleaning deep down. The amount of poo that comes off the pads may look impressive but it's not that much really. Does it look good, is it quick and cheap? Yes, Yes Yes. Do you have happy clients who come back? Certainly. There's no need to try a justify padding as a pure extraction system though. 

i don't understand what you are saying..... I've highlighted the confusing points.

when i do the first pass down the centre either side is dry, how is mopping up prespray involved to create the difference? where is the dirt spread to? I don't pass over any carpet that is not soiled.

your post makes no sense

Apologies

I did not read the last line about not using a prespray on the rest of the carpet. And yes that makes it even more remarkable result. It just proves how cleaning just a bit of dirt of the surface of a carpet can produce such dramatic visual results.

[Steve. Taylor]

Thats why its quick mike no vac you get away with it with the tm but i reckon it was all the grit in the carpet and on the pad that cleaned that not the machine or chems

Most cleaners use henrys on the carpet surprised me the amount of grit in the rotowash tray when emptying out thats after the sebo criss cross clean i do.

The STPP Chem also needs time after agitation 5 to 10 mins IMO to get good results.

[derek west]

well i can't work out where all the dirt has gone!!! whats the answer then? 

maybe its been pushed down into the 5 mm of carpet?

its certainly not all on that one little pad, thats for sure.

truckmount, bonnet dry, job done.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Let's say that with a TM you would use 70 gal of pre spray and hwe, but with the same area you use 1 gallon of prespray with a pad would it safe to say that LM used 1/70th less moisture I'm sure pads could absorb that much?

Encapsulation is something completely different and may be better, Mike have you tried John Kelly's new solution?

Shaun

[Steve. Taylor]

Shaun theres 3 which one have you used, and whats your thoughts?

using seldon but almost out

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Used all 3 found (as you should) that the more powerful was better think it was more concentrated but if even there was a chemical made for that OP machine Mike has it's that! it works better when you get straight ontop of it not when you let it dwell.

Shaun

[robert meldrum]

O/P cleaning has been an advancement  in carpet cleaning, having evolved from rotary cleaning, which evolved from scrubbing rugs on knees or immersing in rivers.

The latest machines have higher speed reciprocation and products developed specifically for O/P'ing which clean vey effectively indeed and with less energy consumption or water usage.

Soil is removed - as we all know - by taking out 80% through vacuuming. The remaining soil is what's attached to carpet fibres and is either removed by pads or encapsulated in a non sticky, crystallised solution and removed by dry vacuuming.

Owners of truck mounted machines in the US and Canada have looked closely at the results and apparently many are going over to O/P cleaning as their first choice.

Why would you, or your customers want tens of gallons of water blasted into their carpets at high pressure with the obvious potential for damage from trailing hoses, leaking or rubbing against valuable items and requiring doors to be open with security risks, when the same result can be achieved quietly and with minimum disruption.

 

[Colin Day]

I have the same machine as Mike and I have to say, it amazes me every time.

Just before Christmas I thought I'd use it at a hotel for agitation with the appropriate pad, the manager came to see what I was doing and was shocked to see the pattern of the carpet re-appearing after all these years. I reckon I could have walked away with a satisfied customer at that point...

But I had to acid rinse the carpet via HWE, which left the guy even more astounded and a contract to clean the whole hotel....