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clearlyclean

  • Posts: 477
Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2010, 04:55:40 pm »
Yes having hot water is pointless if you cant get out of your street,But if you can get out then hot/warm can make the differences from being skint and putting food on the table.

G Griffin

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2010, 05:25:08 pm »
Yes having hot water is pointless if you cant get out of your street,But if you can get out then hot/warm can make the differences from being skint and putting food on the table.


It`s still not pointless. There are still many good points to hot even if you can`t use it.
A cold system isn`t pointless if you can`t get to work is it?
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davids3511

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2010, 05:28:23 pm »
@ Lee,
I'm using a modified L5 heater at the moment,.. but I'm waiting for a sample of a heater from china that has been built to my specs with wfp in mind, hopefully I'll be using this from the new year on if it lives up to the manufacturers promises (and its CE marked!). You could use a gas heater to heat the water as you fill your barrels (a bigger one than an L5 or you'd be all day filling!) and get a taste of warm WFP.

I also have aquarium heaters in my static tank,.. I fill my van tank in the evening & the residual heat helps keep the whole van frost free overnight.
Nat, you need to be careful with the CE marking. You cannot accept that the chinese factory did th marking, they are not responsible for it. As the first importer intot eh EU, you are responsible for the heater conforming to the CE specification. If anything happened and you couldn't prove you had it tested and it passed you are the one in the s hi t  not the chinese factory.

clearlyclean

  • Posts: 477
Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2010, 05:46:28 pm »
Yes having hot water is pointless if you cant get out of your street,But if you can get out then hot/warm can make the differences from being skint and putting food on the table.


It`s still not pointless. There are still many good points to hot even if you can`t use it.
A cold system isn`t pointless if you can`t get to work is it?
interesting point Griffin,having any system whether it's ladder n bucket or the latest Hot wash WFP  if you cant get to the work its all pointless but hot is useful for first cleans,birds muck and cleans quicker than cold.I know if I get out tomorrow I will use warm water and I know using cold will be problematic.

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2010, 06:14:55 pm »
@ Lee,
I'm using a modified L5 heater at the moment,.. but I'm waiting for a sample of a heater from china that has been built to my specs with wfp in mind, hopefully I'll be using this from the new year on if it lives up to the manufacturers promises (and its CE marked!). You could use a gas heater to heat the water as you fill your barrels (a bigger one than an L5 or you'd be all day filling!) and get a taste of warm WFP.

I also have aquarium heaters in my static tank,.. I fill my van tank in the evening & the residual heat helps keep the whole van frost free overnight.
Nat, you need to be careful with the CE marking. You cannot accept that the chinese factory did th marking, they are not responsible for it. As the first importer intot eh EU, you are responsible for the heater conforming to the CE specification. If anything happened and you couldn't prove you had it tested and it passed you are the one in the s hi t  not the chinese factory.

Very true,.. I'll be taking steps to verify their certificate & make sure this heater meets the right standards. Its a much slower & more complicated process than I had imagined,... on the plus side it is a nice shiny stainless steel one with LCD screen etc,.. :)

Frankybadboy

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2010, 07:52:20 pm »
just a little point i like to say iam having more problems with newly fitted energy saviing windows freezing up,this is with a cold water wfp and also trad with warm water..

this is on houses that are heated.done two houses the other week both next door to one and other,same style everything the same,but the difference was that the second house had new fitted energy saving window at the back of the house.
1 frooze the other didnt.now this we tried with cold water wfp,which one???

stevenpaulmatthews

  • Posts: 104
Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2010, 08:34:08 pm »
if pointless means we are able to go out to work and the cold water lads are not then that will do for us.................we are pointless and our company is aswell

im confident in my driving in on any ice road be it -10 and a road 3 inches thick with ice, i know im a talented enough driver

hot water allows us to work in this weather where as cold will not and has not in the past

im not the sort of man that will sit here and blow smoke up your backsides just because we have paid 8K for a thermopure system, if the machine was crap id tell you straight up to stop you guys wasting your hard earned cash


now i have enough of sayin hot is better that cold i will not comment on any hot water topic again for the simple reason being i know hot water is betther than cold

mci services

Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2010, 08:54:36 pm »
I find it hard to believe people reckon they cant get out their street. I have a shovel and bucket of grit in my van and have used it many times over the last few weeks

geefree

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2010, 11:26:23 pm »
If you cant get out of your street....but eventually do........ you sure as hell aint going to get on anyone elses street to work!!!

 ;)

Darren70

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2010, 08:04:04 am »
Just a thought HOT/COLD its still going to freezeon the floor,GRIT you say.Ok grit customer gets home slips/falls walks grit into the house,sees your ticket/invioce.
Next to court,if you put grit down you change the condition on the floor,its your fault from a legal piont of view.
Sometimes you have to take a loss,or take a risk.  Just a thought THANKS  :-\

Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2010, 08:18:00 am »
Some people just don't want to know

Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2010, 09:43:07 am »
Pointless today!

james44

Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2010, 12:34:51 pm »
Quote
you put grit down you change the condition on the floor,its your fault from a legal piont of view.

Very true!

stevenpaulmatthews

  • Posts: 104
Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2010, 04:49:11 pm »
It was not "pointless for us today" worked in -8 full days work done £300+

happy days

Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2010, 05:41:10 pm »
Quote
you put grit down you change the condition on the floor,its your fault from a legal piont of view.

Very true!

And why is salt spread on the roads?

Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2010, 05:43:51 pm »

Next to court,if you put grit down you change the condition on the floor,
Very true, and generally for the better mate.

its your fault from a legal piont of view.

If you cant spread salt on someones path to stop the water freezing you need to stay indoors mate, all year round. You're no doubt a liability to yourself if youre not capable of that.

One job springs to mind that I did last Friday. We'd finished the job. I knocked on the door. The lady came out and paid and thanked us. I then on leaving informed her that we had spread salt about where the water we had used had found its way onto her paths.

She looked at me and thanked me for my consideration and suggested that we were very considerate. Maybe we were, but it doesnt take a dunderhead to be able to spread a few handfuls of salt.

Ian_Giles

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2010, 05:48:43 pm »
It always amazes me who people will argue till they are blue in the face about something they have no personal experience of.

Just like many others on here I have mo personal hands on experience of using Hot or wam water for WFP, so all I can do is surmise what will be.

I am in the process of going the immersion heater route, initially to heat up the water over night so it will act like a storage heater...not that I have any intention of having it waste heat warming the back of the van...what a waste!!

My van tank will be heavily insulated and boxed in, The DI cannister, pump and so on incorporated too.
With a separate section of of boxed insulation for the hose reel and pole hose.
The plan is to pull out the hose reels and whatever prior to starting work close off its insulated housing from van tank.
Whilst working with hot water the hoses and so on should be fine as warm water will passing though them keeping everything in a working condition.

Overnight the water in the van tank should still be pretty warm (I hope) providing I've done a top job with insulating the tank, the immersion heater should not need turning on for anything like as long in a poorly insulated tank.

I'd be extremely disappointed if I open the back doors of the van in the morning to find it like a sauna  :'(

Its a cheap way of testing out the merits of hot water window cleaning.
If it feels like a good bet, then I'll be looking at the cost of a small generator that is capable of running at 3kw.
If that is too expensive I'd look at getting something along the lines of Peter Fogwill 's Hot water system, Primarily with the idea of heating the water in the van tank rather than as an on demand system.

All of the above might be changed at a moments notice too!
All I can do at the moment is surmise as best I can...

If, for a relatively small outlay I can work when I might otherwise not be able too then it will be money well spent.
If water in my tank doesn't freeze, hoses do no freeze, water jets don't ice up and the bristlles on the brush also remain unfrozen, then that will do as a minimum.
In future winters my van will be fully insulated, ditto my production unit at home...I'll be properly winter-proofed, and that alone will be a godsend all of its own, because...boy!...this winter has been one hassle after another and I don't want to go through this again in a hurry that's for sure.

So cold water only guys, don't dismiss out of hand what you know nothing about, without at least trying it out for yourselves first!

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2010, 05:51:11 pm »
I wouldn't want grit all up my path. Horrible stuff, and often skiddy in it's own right, like little marbles.

I don't believe hot systems are worth it either, just for a couple of weeks a year.
In fact, this is unusual. Some winters we get about 4 or 5 frosts altogether!

dazmond

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2010, 05:52:41 pm »
It was not "pointless for us today" worked in -8 full days work done £300+

happy days

how did you work in -8?sounds great if you can without the water freezing on the glass or jets!! ;D ;D ;D

i can understand the water not freezing in the hose or jets using warm water but surely itll just turn to ice on the windows when you ve finished rinsing?or are you not bothered if it does and just thinking about the money and sod the customers sheet of ice on the windows? ;D ;D
price higher/work harder!

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Is having hot water pointless?
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2010, 05:56:27 pm »
i can understand the water not freezing in the hose or jets using warm water but surely itll just turn to ice on the windows when you ve finished rinsing?or are you not bothered if it does and just thinking about the money and sod the customers sheet of ice on the windows? ;D ;D
Daz, there's some absolute toilet written on here mate!
It's just about trad-able if you can safely put a ladder up, but wfp? Nah. ;)