[MNWC]

Hi all,
This is to mainly those who employ

Ive got two vans on the road, 1 operator in each but im looking to take on another person in the new year.

would it be more profitable to get another vehicle, or let two guys work out of one vehicle ?

Thanks for your help

[david thomas]

I also have 2 vans 1 man for each van the Iverco dailey is set up for 3 men my small van is for 1 man I set up looking to set up next year a second man but found this year not making much net profit gross work 1 man he does is £2450 month I pay him £1280 month plus he gets 28 days hols plus bank hols fuel poles ins ect gas lost days to weather my net is now down to £500 per month I am hoping that with a second man this should increase to 40% to around £900
slow process take around a year to get second man working full time.

[Sean Dyer]

I also have 2 vans 1 man for each van the Iverco dailey is set up for 3 men my small van is for 1 man I set up looking to set up next year a second man but found this year not making much net profit gross work 1 man he does is £2450 month I pay him £1280 month plus he gets 28 days hols plus bank hols fuel poles ins ect gas lost days to weather my net is now down to £500 per month I am hoping that with a second man this should increase to 40% to around £900
slow process take around a year to get second man working full time.

2450 sounds very low, averages out at about 15 an hour for 8 hrs a day  x 20 days

is it trad?

[George P]

it depends on the work load, if lots of bits and bobs then better to get another van, but if big contracts then 2 in a van

[david thomas]

wfp all residential he starts at 9 till around 4.30

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

2 men on 1 van should be £4k a month at least

[david thomas]

what net do you think can be made from £4000 from 2 men with 1 van

[Sean Dyer]

i reckon you want at least 6k from 2 guys

4k from one, i wouldnt consider doing it for any less, not that it cant be done, but the returns wouldnt be worth it, wages, fuel, insurances, tax, vat etc

2500 a month from one guy is definitely low, the guy is working very slow or is on underpriced work.

If you are happy then fine but i think you realise you need more return as you posted so you need to find out whether a, your work is underpriced or b, your guy is too slow!!

[ronnie paton]

2500 is seriuosly low monthly turnover for one guy.

one man can sometimes do more but sometimes two men can depends on the work.

[MNWC]

My question was should i get another van or two guys share a van

They will be cleaning 100% residential

[JoeMax]

Does the new guy have experience?

Why don't you let the new guy go with the better of the 2 for a 2 months. See what figures they're earning. If you're happy leave it, if not offer the new guy his own van if he thinks he can work hard, and offer him the chance to earn more but tell him this is a big responsibility etc..

[toronto]

There are some laughable people on this forum.
 Nearly £2500 for one man low? In some areas of the country maybe but for most its a reasonable figure.
I would say 20 -25% of the turnover for the van is reasonable net profit and you have nothing to lose by trying 2 men in one van then if it doesnt pay dividends just send the second man out in another van.
I work out of one van with 2 of us and it averages about 60% extra work done with a second man.

[Sean Dyer]

"There are some laughable people on this forum"


2500 is low for 20 days work = 125.00 - wages - tax - overheads etc , nearly no point bothering to employ at that , for a one man band you could live but not an employee

 the guy wants more turnover and if you dont realize that a window cleaner especially wfp can do much more than that youre doing something wrong, im surprised that after running costs wages and tax and vat you would make anything on 2500 legally with an employee !

But if thats how you wanna run your business then fine, he asked for opinions he got them

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

me n jsm john 10k a month easy peasy 

[jsm]

thats part time 

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

working a sunday then 15k 

[david thomas]

I'LL come and work with you

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

I'LL come and work with you

not with that bad neck you
wont lol

[david thomas]

Cheers dr

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

where u based dave ?