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steve freeman

  • Posts: 134
Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2010, 08:20:26 pm »
The immersion i fitted only heats it upto about 30/40 but lower out of the brush.........Legionaries needs bacteria to help grow.algae,sludge,metal etc all of which i dont have in my tank.....it is also found in car washer bottles and radiators. Its also found in rivers,streams and canals.

New research from the US has identified home hot water pipes and domestic hot water systems as a common source of Legionnaires’ disease. Although more often associated with the air conditioning systems fitted to hospitals and large office buildings, Janet Stout, a microbiologist at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Pittsburgh said "The evidence suggests that the residential water system is an under appreciated source of Legionnaires’ disease".


Waterfed pole tanks also get heated up in the summer when people go on holiday and leave water in the tank that a huge no no for legionaries disease to grow

Where do we stop.....  swimming pools,air conditioned offices , etc etc etc etc

Its not just about heating water to a certain temp it also has to be able to breed from water storage sources that have the above mentioned not just by heating the water.  But we could go on all day over and over .... ive seen more people use their mobiles and put my life at risk that way than me heating the water for a short peopriod of time ie....a few days here and there through this winter.

jr windows

  • Posts: 537
Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2010, 08:31:26 pm »
Steve, i am not having a go at your immersion system, I asked him today as this is his job.
He gets paid £££ to do this, and all I have done is post advice.
I would have put mine in my tank as many have done but I decided to take this mans advice.

Poles R Us

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2010, 08:35:27 pm »
i have emaild these       http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/ask.htm
will let you know what they say.

John drake

  • Posts: 124
Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2010, 08:40:55 pm »
Matt over on the Cleaning forums has asked someone he knows who is a Legionnaires disease Consultant, It is a high risk !

It is all in the F A Q on the cleaning forums.
Where has my post gone ?
drake_john@rocketmail.com

james44

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2010, 08:42:39 pm »
3.2 Legionella
Legionella bacteria are naturally occurring organisms present in many water systems, and if
exposed to human beings can cause the development of Legionnaires’ disease.
The evidence for the occurrence of Legionella in water systems varies between different reports.
The most representative information is summarised in a HSE ACOP document (Ref 4), which states:
• Legionella bacteria will die at temperatures above 60ºC.
• Legionella bacteria proliferate between 20ºC and 45ºC.
• Legionella bacteria will not multiply at temperatures below 20ºC, but will remain as a
potential threat in the system.
3.2.1 Recommended measures to control Legionella
• The water distribution system should always be maintained in a hygienic condition.
• Ensure that water supplies are distributed to the point of mixing, either below 20ºC for
cold supplies or above 55ºC for hot supplies.
• Hot water should be stored at or above 60ºC.

steve freeman

  • Posts: 134
Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2010, 08:47:31 pm »
So lets say its frosty this tuesday and for 2 hours i heat my tank and thats it no need to for the rest of the week as its not frosty im to believe that for that tank of water which is now empty im going to get legionnaires disease ?

so my mrs heats the tank at home but dosent use the water it goes cold i then heat the very same tank back up tomorrow and dont use it again and heat the 3rd day  and have a bath or shower im also going to get legionaries disease?

Sorted .... my immersion has a temp setting at 70deg ill heat it to that its above 60 deg so no problem

Dave Willis

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2010, 08:48:43 pm »
Maybe someone would like to explain how my tank of pure water gets algae in the summer?
Legionaires will form if conditions are right - same as Algae forms.

james44

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2010, 08:51:13 pm »

Poles R Us

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2010, 08:52:26 pm »
when i changed my resin the thing in the vessel was all jelly like stuff on it is the legionairs

chopsie

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Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2010, 08:53:26 pm »
Its no use us all guessing about something we know only bits about. Why don't we try get an expert in it on here? Or compile a list of questions and ask an expert to provide the answers which we could post on here. If its really going to be snowy again later this week I do not mind finding someone who will answer some questions?
chopsie

steve freeman

  • Posts: 134
Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2010, 08:56:02 pm »
Well thats it from me on this ......... if ..and a big if i get legionaries ...oh ive had pneumonia long ago so ill know in advance if i do...... ill let you all know and if it comes back that it was down to the immersion heater in my tank for an hour here and there i let you know and you can tell me " i told you so" if im healthy still by octobber 2011...................... all the best people and a  happy xmas

james44

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2010, 08:59:27 pm »
Quote
Why don't we try get an expert in it on here? Or compile a list of questions and ask an expert to provide the answers which we could post on here.

Chopsie people would still not listen!

Dave Willis

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2010, 09:24:31 pm »
The scary bit is that IF your water could get it, then spraying it about in the form of a mist from your fan jets or overspray from pencils would be the perfect way to catch it.

james44

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2010, 09:29:41 pm »
 Why have the hse not published a safe working practise for the wfp industry on the safe practise in use of hot water systems?,

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2010, 09:37:40 pm »
I would have thought you'd be grateful that they aren't sticking their finger in EVERY pie!

That's the trouble with a nanny state people rely on it to make decisions that a child ought to be able to make quite competently.

mikecam

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2010, 09:48:20 pm »
Why have the hse not published a safe working practise for the wfp industry on the safe practise in use of hot water systems?,


You mean hot water storage?

james44

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2010, 09:56:20 pm »
I suppose both mike!

mikecam

Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2010, 09:58:55 pm »
I suppose both mike!

Don't wish that on us mate, they'd have us wearing heatproof suits to go with hard hat and high viz, oh and that mask that all chinese cyclists seem to wear !!!  ;D

jr windows

  • Posts: 537
Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2010, 10:02:11 pm »
So, if I heat my water to 60 degrees am I able to spray it on my custies windows?
I would have thought yes in the summer but not at the moment. Is this right?
If I can't use it what's the point of doing it?

John Walker

  • Posts: 613
Re: Legionnaires' disease
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2010, 10:23:23 pm »
Another scenerio.

Water in main storage tank well under 20 degrees at all times.  Transferred to tank/drums and stored in vehicle overnight where it is gradually warmed ready for next day's work.

Would legionnaires have chance to become dangerous in those few hours?
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