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geefree

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Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« on: November 27, 2010, 10:26:59 pm »
Just thought i would get your opinions on this,...i have a 640 ibc tank without baffles , in my transit....

i feel the pull to one side on every roundabout,..... the van rocks at the traffic lights,

How much is all this taking its toll on the van?

my tyres must be wearing on one side, my tracking must be getting hammered , and my fuel consumption must be above normal,

but what will it be doing to the engine straining  against all the pushing and pulling of water in motion?

deeege

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 10:31:17 pm »
Is this even a question?

In the time that it took you to write this thread, you could have baffled your tank. It's so easy and makes your van safer and easier to drive.

Seriously, why isn't it baffled already?
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2010, 10:32:38 pm »
forget about the van!!!!!!!!!
Its your health and safety you want to be worried about!!
Think your insurance will be void as well!
You best check

Smudger

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 10:34:02 pm »
 :o :o

no baffles in tank

 :-X

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

niceandclean

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 10:35:49 pm »
A friend of mine who does pressure washing had a non baffled ibc in his vivaro. He had to brake hard at one of those traffic calming things as the car in front just stopped. He stepped on his brakes and said he stopped, then went forward, stopped and went forward and ended up rear ending the car!
But that aside, i would also think its not doing the van any good.

Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 10:45:01 pm »
It'll undoubtedly be illegal too, its hardly appropriate is it.

Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 11:11:31 pm »
Let's not get carried away.

A load in the back of a van, provided it's secured will make no difference to the stopping distance of a vehicle baffled or unbaffled.The possibilty of rolling on a corner is about the same.

The friend who came upon the traffic calming measure would have still rear ended.

Mine has quite a high C of G, and some of the symptoms you mention mainly beause it's shaped so that even when low or the van is on a slope (unlike wydale tanks that stop supplying when about a quarter full) the system still works.So even the high end ones- like mine- are a compromise.

With 1000kg in the back my stopping distance is compromised baffled or unbaffled.

geefree

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 11:16:39 pm »
I know some people get carried away with the thought of no baffles, but its not illegal to carry water in a van ,provided its within the payload....

i am simply looking for advise over wear and tear

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 11:18:27 pm »
so so wrong slump!!
if your van is designed (payoad) to carry 1000kg in the back your braking WILL NOT be compromised,
If you have 1000kg of water in an un baffled tank it will!!
Its breaking the law and should not be taken for granted.
fa you are in an accident and there is a fatality you would be doing a stretch. Believe me I know traffic law!!!!!

♠Winp®oClean♠

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2010, 11:18:39 pm »
Let's not get carried away.

A load in the back of a van, provided it's secured will make no difference to the stopping distance of a vehicle baffled or unbaffled.The possibilty of rolling on a corner is about the same.

The friend who came upon the traffic calming measure would have still rear ended.

Mine has quite a high C of G, and some of the symptoms you mention mainly beause it's shaped so that even when low or the van is on a slope (unlike wydale tanks that stop supplying when about a quarter full) the system still works.So even the high end ones- like mine- are a compromise.

With 1000kg in the back my stopping distance is compromised baffled or unbaffled.

Your wydale maybe, but one like mine fitted with an internal elbow supplies right from the bottom. ;)

Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2010, 11:22:11 pm »
but its not illegal to carry water in a van

Cuh! Who said it was illegal to carry water in a van?

geefree

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2010, 11:27:45 pm »
forget about the van!!!!!!!!!
Its your health and safety you want to be worried about!!
Think your insurance will be void as well!
You best check


him

niceandclean

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2010, 11:30:30 pm »
I know some people get carried away with the thought of no baffles, but its not illegal to carry water in a van ,provided its within the payload....

i am simply looking for advise over wear and tear

Well if its just advice on wear and tear, i would suggest having some baffles fitted!

geefree

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2010, 11:31:02 pm »
look,

vehicles carry fluid in ibc tanks, vans trucks and others,

im just saying... baffles are handy , but not used in every aspect of transporting fluid,

my point is wear and tear on the van .....please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ;)

geefree

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2010, 11:31:41 pm »
I know some people get carried away with the thought of no baffles, but its not illegal to carry water in a van ,provided its within the payload....

i am simply looking for advise over wear and tear

thanks

Well if its just advice on wear and tear, i would suggest having some baffles fitted!

 ;D

niceandclean

  • Posts: 1897
Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2010, 11:32:05 pm »
Let's not get carried away.

A load in the back of a van, provided it's secured will make no difference to the stopping distance of a vehicle baffled or unbaffled.The possibilty of rolling on a corner is about the same.

The friend who came upon the traffic calming measure would have still rear ended.


So what about the control of the serge?

Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2010, 11:34:58 pm »
forget about the van!!!!!!!!!
Its your health and safety you want to be worried about!!
Think your insurance will be void as well!
You best check


him

I dont think he's saying its illegal to carry liquids, he might be saying its illegal to carry liquids without baffling.


Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2010, 11:36:39 pm »
When i was a test driver for austin rover we carried water butts of 80kg each strapped into the three passenger seats.


The stopping distance difference was massive, especially when braking down from speed.

The laden van will take longer to stop than the unladen one.It will not bother to read your traffic laws before doing so.

Gazza wear and tear is not an issue.Any damage will come mainly from a continual load, not from lack of baffeling.

mci services

Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2010, 11:38:38 pm »
forget about the van!!!!!!!!!
Its your health and safety you want to be worried about!!
Think your insurance will be void as well!
You best check


him

I dont think he's saying its illegal to carry liquids, he might be saying its illegal to carry liquids without baffling.



and he would be wrong

LWC

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Re: Damage to van with tank without baffles.
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2010, 11:49:37 pm »
Just get a long lenght of drainage piping, coil it up and stick it in. Job done.

Never heard anything so ridiculous, illegal carrying water un baffled lol