[Mike Halliday]

Joe the point I'm making is Matt is seen as an idiot who no one takes seriously, for him to insult Nick or anyone else is like a child insulting a grown up it means nothing, it is best ignored but you keep going on about it. like i said if Nick has a problem with it he can give me a call.

[Joe H]

Same old story - its ok to insult "certain supplier(s)", and in this case very unpleasantly,...... but very mildly someone has a go at others and up pops  "Please do not insult suppliers." from a moderator (doesnt matter which one).

No wonder this forum has such a poor reputation. Might be the biggest forum (or not) but reputation is wanting somewhat.

and yes I believe Nick can look after himself and doesnt need any help from "his dad", but I am allowed to express MY viewpoint as well.

[Mike Halliday]

Joe is you are not happy with this Forum go away and don't visit, this is the best Uk forum because it is full of a mixture of idiots and good blokes if you are not happy with this mix then like I said go away.

it make me laugh when people slag off this forum and call it scream it up etc but still are here posting 4-5 times a day.

about expressing your viewpoint, its funny how your viewpoint always involves Solutions & there products. which last time we had this discussion i brought up the fact all anyone needs to look at your past posts to see they are your main topic of interest.

[robert meldrum]

Joe

The most damaging and insulting remarks ever made on here about a supplier were made by a guy who is many now imagine to be a highly respectable or at least highly regarded " teacher " but because some imagine they can gain something by associatiing with him and they're happy to ignore his past rants.

[Joe H]

Robert
I remember it well, and I was at the rough end mor then a few times.

Mike
I tend to support an underdog, I have been there and know what its like, but makes it worse when the underdog cant reply. And no I am not replying on "his" behalf - that is not my style.

As for my post always involves Solutions - that is not true, thats you faulty perception.
My main fluid I use is Nemesis - have yo not noticed that I often refer to Nemesis/MPower or even MPower/Nemesis (as they are both colloidals although no doubt different)

I often comment on past equipment I have used ie Texatherm, CFR500, I dont comment too much about equipment nor cleaning fluids I have not used. When I had the Prowler I used to extol its virtues when appropriate, and still do. I have often referred to my support of Restormate, Cleansmart as well as Solutions.
Your memory seems to be a bit limited. Mmmm.

And I dont comment on here for your benefit (I am sure your knowledge surpasses mine) but more for the newbies.
I often get emails or calls from newer ones and those are the ones I love to help.

As for "scream it up", I assure you it was not I that thought of that, just using phrases that other have used as they have visited and seen what goes on, however does seem appropriate at times, I am sure you noticed.
Its a pity there are so many good c/cleaners who dont post on here because of the attitude.

Thank you for the invite to "go away", very thoughtful of you (that was a sarcastic remark).
Seems you can say it as it is, and thats Ok because you are a Yorkshire man, but if someone else says it as it is, then they are invited to leave.  Lovely.

The number of times I have thought of "going away", especially when I was getting the rough end as in my reference to Robert, but I stuck it out for the sake of the newbies.  And that is what I am going to do now - stick it out at least for the benefit of the newbies. 

Started the day well - so onward and upwards as they say.

[creighton foyle]

i have just read through the whole of this thread and i have to say i thought the comment about drowning in cornish sea water was very funny and yes i did have a little chuckle when i read it. it is obvious that the poster has some gripe against nick but to me it was equally obvious that it was said tongue in cheek. i met both nick and his wife last week when i went on the spot and stain course he was running and we spent a very pleasant evening in the pub with all the other cc's, nicks a nice guy and seems to have a very successfull business but he can't please all the people all the time and is bound to offend someone at some point as i am sure has matt at cleansmart and i do'nt think i have read anything good on here about ashbys either, i am sure there is a line that should not be crossed but if people are prevented from posting opinions based on their own dealings with these suppliers then the newbies will have nothing to aid their research into which supplier they would like to use after all we are all grown ups and hopefully able to make our decisions based on all information available good and bad. threats and defamation are a no no but lets not get too restrictive on what we are allowed to say, free speech is a wonderfull thing to have.

finally joe whilst your obvious loyallty and belief in nicks products is admirable and i am not disagreeing with anything you have written on the subject do you not think that your continually extolling the virtue of both the solutions and the machine in a lot of your posts would seem as annoying to some people as someone continually slagging off the man himself which obviously makes you angry.

i like using both forums and i would not go on cleantalk and continually tell people how good i think the airflex is nor would i come on here and continually tell people how impressed i am with solutions products.

[Joe H]

Hear what you saying Creighton, but as for speaking only about Solutions products, I rarely mention F8 and FC (abbreviated so not to advertise ) and my main product I use is Nemesis which is not from down south west. As I said before,  I mention Nemesis/MP or MP/Nemesis, as they are both colloidals and similar, and indeed have used both (but not at the same time).
As for machine, I extol the CFR500 I used to have when they are mentioned, the Prowler when I had that and still do - fine machine, so why not the portable I have had for 3 years and still do. Others talk about their Alltec triple vac or their Ninja or their Airflex when the conversation leads to it,  and so I talk about what I use if it is going to help someone, and why not.
I have never started a thread saying "Buy this machine" or "Use this product" - in fact a quick look  back over the last 5 or 6 , months I have only started 4 or 5 threads, non relating to what I use (other then selling the prowler).
Some posts are Powerburst this and Powerburst that, doesnt bother me - I use Powerburst. There was one poster I remember and you could bet every other post would be Pureclean - Ive had that as well, still got it and one customer annually wants Pureclean, so need it.

[Joe H]

Just thought - maybe I should just sign off and come back on again as someone else - like some other  do 

[creighton foyle]

joe i am sure most would agree that your posts are more of a help than a hindrance you will never make everybody happy and i am sure if we were able to look some of the posters on here in the eye we would see a wicked glint in their eyes which would show their posts to be more mischievous than malicious

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Well this thread has been well and truly highjacked !

Back to Prochem, I find their range very good as is Chempec's.
Others have good products but not the range.

Paul/Wynne is right with the acid rinse , a little pH 5 acid is just not going to neutralise a buffered pH11 cleaning chemical used in much higher quantities.

As an ex chemist I very much subscibe to the view that thorough rinsing is far better than leaving products to work and it's healthier too.

In terms of moderation we are always busy as CC's (apart from when it snows) and do not have the time or inclination to remove every dig or plug .

90% of what 'Matt Lindus" writes is rubbish and we all know where Joe's loyalties lie so it's six of one and halfd a dozen of the other

Cheers

Doug

[Sarah Kirby]

Joe

I am new to carpet cleaning and whilst Im gaining a lot of knowledge from Gary, I find your posts very informative and helpful.

If anyone does find a particular product or supplier who works well for them then I dont see anything wrong with openly supporting them and passing the information on to the rest of us who are looking for some advice. While it might niggle some, its helping others 

Sarah

[richy27]

I find prochems range of pre sprays excellant tend to use a lot of PB   find there spotting range not so good as chemspecs  and or upholstery i use hydramasters products. 

as far as suppliers i use a few hydrmaster/solutions/restormate/cleansmart find them all very helpfull and regard them all as genuine people.    but i get cake when i go to HM so that sways it for me

[wynne jones]

Just thought - maybe I should just sign off and come back on again as someone else - like some other  do 

Reading Joe's posts I think he's one of the good guys. He's not nasty and puts up with a lot of stick from other members and stands his ground in a dignified way. I only wish I had such self control.

If you did change your picture and identity Joe I bet you would have an easier time. I reckon some people see you as a bit of a soft touch and don't like it when you don't roll over.

I also respect the way you stick up for what you believe, yes, even Nicks products! I see other people doing the same consistently and I don't see them getting it in the neck like you.

[Buckland]

Just for the record I use Prochem stuff almost exclusively prob because I lack imagination and like our wholesaler and the service they give (wessex soton btw) bacause I know it well as a range and because I think it is good for clients to be able to look up anything we may use on the prochem website via a link on our site - I have been in the game so long I still have a tub of Hi-Force Prespray which is what Powerburst used to be called! (contituents are identical)

I agree that Joe is a good guy and always takes the time to give a reasoned and reasonable reply - and has the patience of a saint - saint Joe then! Many newbies have him to thanks for sound advice...

On a serious note though people who think they can just say anything about somebody else on a forum need to have a serious reality check - the same rules apply to cyber space as your local newspaper - the fact is your local newspaper (for instance) would not publish a reader's letter that contained a libel because they know their libel laws and the fact that they can be jointly held to be responsible for that libel - the same laws cover the internet - the medium used is part of the case to answer and in this case this forum would be a very pertinent part of the case - i.e. its got a big circulation and is directly relevant to the field in which Solutions operate - it may be tongue in cheek (is it I'm not so sure)but so was the comment by Paul Chapman who twittered about Robin Hood airport and he is in serious s*** over it - and just lost his appeal

Lets face it this is now the biggest most relevant forum we have available to us as CCs so we have an interest in keeping it legal, truthful and honest

[Matt Seymour]

I don't think this forum has a poor reputation or is less useful/helpful than any other.

It's probably true to say that it doesn't take itself quite so seriously as others, but that's not a bad thing. At least it is relatively neutral and doesn't push certain products constantly.

You ask a question here and usually get a straight answer.

[derek west]

excellent post bucky and one we should all take note of before we continue our rants and raves. me included.

[garyj]

Joe

I am new to carpet cleaning and whilst Im gaining a lot of knowledge from Gary, I find your posts very informative and helpful.

Sarah

Ahhh, but now you know I get all my information from here and in reality know bugger all. Since getting the TM its been like starting again! I'm still going to post about my 20k+ insurance claim and I know I'm in for some stick for that but those opinions won't mean jack to me. If what I post stops one carpet cleaner from doing the same then it was worth it, and since doing what I did have already found one other very well respected and 'big' carpet cleaner that has had the same problem.

One thing that does send me dizzy with Prochem is the huge range, but I suppose that is a good thing.

Don't you think that some of the rants on here are a part of the appeal? Back in the 'olden' days there used to be some great arguments and threats on here, used to keep us amused before Facebook was invented. It's like a little family on here, we all have our off days and get niggly but it soon blows over. Would be pretty boring to just read about carpet cleaning all the time.

[derek west]

Joe

I am new to carpet cleaning and whilst Im gaining a lot of knowledge from Gary, I find your posts very informative and helpful.

Sarah

Ahhh, but now you know I get all my information from here and in reality know bugger all. Since getting the TM its been like starting again! I'm still going to post about my 20k+ insurance claim and I know I'm in for some stick for that but those opinions won't mean jack to me. If what I post stops one carpet cleaner from doing the same then it was worth it, and since doing what I did have already found one other very well respected and 'big' carpet cleaner that has had the same problem.

One thing that does send me dizzy with Prochem is the huge range, but I suppose that is a good thing.

Don't you think that some of the rants on here are a part of the appeal? Back in the 'olden' days there used to be some great arguments and threats on here, used to keep us amused before Facebook was invented. It's like a little family on here, we all have our off days and get niggly but it soon blows over. Would be pretty boring to just read about carpet cleaning all the time.

do it now i'm intrigued, well, bored til i'm a celeb comes on. shaun to win, alllllrighhhtt.

[garyj]

OK will do it later, Sarah bought over some Spag Bol and Corrie is on. Is that a bit off topic   
Yep, Shaun to win     

[Sarah Kirby]

OK will do it later, Sarah bought over some Spag Bol and Corrie is on. Is that a bit off topic   
Yep, Shaun to win     

You beat me to it.....was going to say there's no chance while Corrie is on!