[Clive McDonald]

The 'what percentage to pay a two man team' was quite interesting.The consensus seemed to be 50% of earnings.


Also interesting was one employer saying he couldn't touch the earnings of his best Number Ones.


Some of us don't have multiple vans, only one van, so in that sense we are our own number ones/ team leaders, so if we have a helper- a Number Two- what divide of the spoils should he take?

It's two questions really, two men in a van, one senior and proabaly driving and making all of the decisions, the other cleaning glass when they reach destinations.What's the split when you employ a team? and what's the split when the helper is the only part of the empire?

Your thoughts please.

[prestige cleaners]

if i employed someone other than my wife, it would be on an hourly rate, no way would they have 50% of my business, he would have to be an investor to be that well paid!

say if hes helping you in a van, then your probably making £40 per hour, so hes happy on £8ph, so thats about 25%.

but then theres the hidden costs

employee insurance, diesel, filters, resin, van insurance, van tax, holidays, sickness, tyres, mot, van servicing, public liability, accountant, poles, clothing,

hmmm, that looks like 75%! is it worth the aggro?

just get the wife in for free!

[darren clarke]

why pay a % of wages,  do these staff help u from the start when u r out door knocking bulding your round up, no,

give them a hourly wage, with a set no of jobs to do,  this is the only industy i know which pay on percentage,  do u see people at ford going in saying i want x % of every car i make
 or asda staff saying i want x % of what i take in the till,  no

so why should wc get a % of what the business earns

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

why pay a % of wages, do these staff help u from the start when u r out door knocking bulding your round up, no,

give them a hourly wage, with a set no of jobs to do, this is the only industy i know which pay on percentage, do u see people at ford going in saying i want x % of every car i make
 or asda staff saying i want x % of what i take in the till, no

so why should wc get a % of what the business earns

I guess because for many it is a weather dependant business.

[Darranvps]

Its quite simply really
Give employees a set daily/weekly salary. The lower the better for you.
This way you know what your costs are going to be each week.
Then simply work them like a dog! to earn you as much money as possible.
We offer our staff xx amount per week for a 5 1/2 day week.
They are happy and if we price each job well enough we are very happy

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

why pay a % of wages, do these staff help u from the start when u r out door knocking bulding your round up, no,

give them a hourly wage, with a set no of jobs to do, this is the only industy i know which pay on percentage, do u see people at ford going in saying i want x % of every car i make
 or asda staff saying i want x % of what i take in the till, no

so why should wc get a % of what the business earns

I guess because for many it is a weather dependant business.

i understand that  but i have a lad who works 2 days a week with me, cash in hand as he is a student,  and if weather is really bad stays as home, and we work the two days later on

You will now get slated for not having him on the books. Is this part of the Black Economy?

[bobplum]

why pay a % of wages, do these staff help u from the start when u r out door knocking bulding your round up, no,

give them a hourly wage, with a set no of jobs to do, this is the only industy i know which pay on percentage, do u see people at ford going in saying i want x % of every car i make
 or asda staff saying i want x % of what i take in the till, no

so why should wc get a % of what the business earns
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I guess because for many it is a weather dependant business.

i understand that  but i have a lad who works 2 days a week with me, cash in hand as he is a student,  and if weather is really bad stays as home, and we work the two days later on

You will now get slated for not having him on the books. Is this part of the Black Economy?

id call it survival!

[Darranvps]

Does the Tax man know about this?
Be careful

[clarkson]

  Blue Monkey
  I would try and edit these posts if i where you!

[Clive McDonald]

if i employed someone other than my wife, it would be on an hourly rate, no way would they have 50% of my business, he would have to be an investor to be that well paid!

say if hes helping you in a van, then your probably making £40 per hour, so hes happy on £8ph, so thats about 25%.

but then theres the hidden costs

employee insurance, diesel, filters, resin, van insurance, van tax, holidays, sickness, tyres, mot, van servicing, public liability, accountant, poles, clothing,

hmmm, that looks like 75%! is it worth the aggro?

[size=10pt]You've described this very well, and aside from the vat threshold this seems a glass ceiling that this is hard to get past.

In effect you say a solo operater might average 30ph, and with help. 40ph, but as 10ph is given over to pay the help there is no debt difference , aside from increased expense and responsibilities.

That's a problem.

However i am sick of being a slave in my own business.Worrying over the managing of holidays, and extremly stressed with the workload when i come back.

So i'm too tight to employ, and too old and lazy to carry on doing the work.I reckon that about sums up most of us.[/size]

just get the wife in for free!

[chopsie]

why don't you sell some work? or rent some out even Franchise it. Get yourself to a comfortable, easily managed amount and live stress free.

[darragh windows]

if i was working for someone on an hourly rate what incentive would i have to work hard other than a pat on the back , where as if i was on a percentage the harder i worked the more i would get