[formb]

I don't appreciate the tone of that.

Dont you?

I guess exploitation would make some overly sensitive.


Lets hope your boys dont come on here and find out what they could earn compared to what they do actually take home.

 

Little does he know my employees are shareholders and review the P&L monthly.

[Matthew Bateman]

Having employed over 150 souls over the years I'd like to imagine you treat your staff well, but having employed and lost 150 might very well suggest you havent.

[formb]

Having employed over 150 souls over the years I'd like to imagine you treat your staff well, but having employed and lost 150 might very well suggest you havent.

1 of my boys has been here 11 years

another 7 years, since he left school,

Window cleaning is not for some people.

Most of the 150+ that have left here did not do so of their own free will and accord.

[RO-Sheen]

Gents, I really appreciate your help and comments, thanks very much but if you want to continue your banter can you do it on a different thread please? Im worried the mods might lock or remove the thread and I want to get other peoples opinions.
Thanks in advance
Adie

[ronnie paton]

matt 25% is a good percentage and if you have employed has many has you say you will know this.

we run a business to make money and if a window cleaner is earner 20k + EMPLOYED he is on a very good number.

a employee does not need to worry about anything apart from window cleaning and maintaing is standards and productivety(which seems very hard work for many staff or maybe its my high standards)

i mean working out all expenses i think RCW pays out £360 a day 5 days a week 52 weeks a year(we shut down for a week a crimbo so sllight lie but i do a bit in december to make it up)before we make a penny.

i would say25-35% was fair.

[trevor perry]

if i was only to pay my staff 25% of what they earned then they wouldnt be on a liveable wage but if any have good enough prices to do this then i would seriously be worried about being undercut.

[D woods]

Some of the stuff on here is like reading a copy of the SWP Newspaper.

[Lee Pryor]

I dont know what you guys are on!!!! it seems only form b has the head screwed on!

Matt are you saying you dont think 20k is a good wage?

I send 1 guy out per van as this stacks up better than the 2 man option over a 12 month period in terms of money, even with extra vehicles, i know because ive done both

They each turn over on an average day £270-£320, one of my guys did £450.00 today with a little help from the gutter vac jobs.

Each day I work out what 25% of their days turnover is and thats what they get paid, as i employ them PAYE by law I have to give them a minimum wage basic, holiday pay and sick pay. I think they gety a good deal as it goes. ? and im not sure why im being slated for that yet again.

As for the figures they turnover per day, just remember I employ them so they HAVE to work a full day every day, self dicipline is removed from the equasion, not late starts or early finishes its 8.30-5 every day, every week, they have a minimum target to achieve, just as in any employed job they have to do it properly or I find one of the other 3million unemployed people to replace them.

[chopsie]

bloody hell £270-£320 a day, Thats some going!! 

[Steve CM]

Not if you price right

[Newannaive]

average 300 a day  1500 per week, same as a doctor then.. 

cant really work till 5 now..

[boshravie]

Not if you price right

So the average house lee charge is £35-£40?   10 house a day and BING .
If so That’s excellent. :-)

[Matthew Bateman]

Matt are you saying you dont think 20k is a good wage?

20K is reasonable but thats all it is. Its far below average wage.

Im obviously not the only one who appears to doubt the figures quoted.

Like I said Lee if you're giving your guys 25% of their turnover that means you have 75% of turnover, obviously costs etc come out of that, but employing someone isnt THAT! expensive (P/L insurance, employers insurance, N.I., vehicle outlay, vehicle running costs, office space, holidays, sick (okay not sick if you can help it), uniform, filters, resin); what shall we say £60 a day off the top of our heads per individual?

Okay lets go to £85.00 just so we are sure we cover everything. Now these costs are spread over a year so we can call that 250 working days.

£250 x £85.00 comes out near as damn it at £20,000 and we all know thats highly conservative. Youve paid your bloke 20K it costs 20k to maintain him and as he gets paid 25% that means there is £40,000 PER EMPLOYEE! for you AFTER EVERYTHING!!

Even when theyre ill, on holiday or if its raining. 

How many do you employee Lee?

This will put you in the 40% tax bracket with just one bloke working for you. Employ 4 Lee and you could be paying 50% tax.

Lee are you in the 50% tax bracket?


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Lets look at it from another angle shall we?

These guys get £20,000 a year apparently. Now that works out at £380 a week. Lets say they do 40 hours. Thats near as damn it £10 an hour you are paying them. But, that is only 25% of what they turn over. That means they turnover £40 an hour EVERY hour, EVERY day, EVERY week, Every month, EVERY year.

Impressive 

[Smudger]

Hmmm.... As 'ONE OF THOSE' who pay 70% and take 30% i will clarify that this is done as the 'employee' is strictly self employed - they supply their own van and fuel - i supply equipment and custy's also as we are still expanding the work is not a full week therefore we felt this a fair split.

IF and hopefully soon we take on a full timer and supply him/her van et all then pay would be different, most likely around the £10.00 ph mark + a bonus completing all work AND being complaint free - with other add ons for bringing in new biz etc...

hope that helps you OP

and girls !   O  girls!!!  - please play nicely    

Darran

[Lee Pryor]

at the end of the day, that really is exactly how I do it with those exact figures, our average job price is £20 not 30-40 of course not.

Its a combination of price right, organise in the best possible order, we use big tanks with high flow, thats quicker, our round is very compact, I spend money on top of the range equipment for my guys making their life easier.

Matt your workings out are exactly right but for the fact you missed out the VAT which is always the first figure to deduct from turnover not staff wages, other than that spot on, oh and the uk national average wage is £22.5k a year. I should mention that there job really is, turn up on time get in a van which has been prepared, get a worksheet which ive set out go scrub windows, come back fill van, go home. I think £20k is alright for that

[boldy1304]

i rent several rounds off 2 different windys i completely run the rounds and sign a contract with them i supply everything van wfp every thing i pay them both 20% of what i do and wouldnt pay a penny more as it wouldnt be worth it its mainly one man stuff any gutter facia conservatory or patio cleans that come from them are all mine

[Matthew Bateman]

I would hope that was the case Lee, I wouldnt expect anything less from a business that expects performance from its staff.

But as has already been said, if your jobs are actually worth to your business 4 times what the guys are getting paid you are in SERIOUS danger of being undercut. The figures dont add up whichever way you look at it Lee, thats all Im saying.

[Steve CM]

I would hope that was the case Lee, I wouldnt expect anything less from a business that expects performance from its staff.

But as has already been said, if your jobs are actually worth to your business 4 times what the guys are getting paid you are in SERIOUS danger of being undercut. The figures dont add up whichever way you look at it Lee, thats all Im saying.

how do the figures not add up? could you explain further how you mean??

[Matthew Bateman]

Steve just re-read my posts. Its in the last two.

[Lee Pryor]

Im sorry matt but they do add up. im not getting into yet another argument with you. fact is businesses run in different ways, thats how I run mine and it works for me and my staff, we grow and grow every year so im not worried about undercutting at all.