[luther1]

When i was traditional i dropped streets of lead and georgian houses because i hated doing them. Now i'm wfp i wish i still had them all.

[wrighty]

u got ripped off mate,

i would of just give him the work back saying get stuffed

i cant believe that work is going for 10 X in st helens, espically £2 houses,  and espically from your brother

IF I WAS YOU BLUE MONKEY I WOULD GET THE FACTS FIRST BEFORE SHOOTING YOUR BIG MOUTH OFF!!!

I WOULD TELL YOU THE STORY BUT IT IS TOO LONG AND I DONT NEED TO JUSTIFY MY BUSINESS TO YOU.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN PLATINUM ON HERE ITS ALWAYS BEEN WRIGHTY AND I HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION ON SUPPLYING VANS AND SELLING WORK TO FORUM MEMBERS

YOUR MOUTH MIGHT GET YOU INTO BOTHER ONE DAY

DAN,  IF YOU AGREE WITH MONKEY BOY YOU SHOULD TELL ME TO MY FACE INSTEAD OF ON HERE AS YOU WOULD HAVE HAD NO BUSINESS OR JOB IF I SOLD MY BUSINESS TO THE CASH BUYER INSTEAD OF WAITING YEARS TO GET THE MONEY FROM YOU!!!

Craig

[chopsie]

chill winston, dan said he would do things differently, He was not having a go at you, more having a go at himself 

[wrighty]

Chopsie,

I have read he agreed with silly monkey that he got ripped off which is far from it.  I should have more respect shown to me for building a successful cleaning company from scratch and selling it 7 years later and helping someone to be in charge of their own earnings and time instead of agreeing they were ripped off.

if you was offered £20k cash straight away would you take that or sell it interest free in instalments? 

Not many people would do what ive done and I dont know anyone who would do it for me.

my name isnt Winston is it?

[chopsie]

from what i have read mate, you did him a favour letting him have it in installments, you could of just took the cash off other bloke, He does say you let him off some in the end and he now has a very profitable business. I did not read it as having a go at you, Just that he struggled to start with and would do things differently if starting again. Makes no odds to me what you two arrange between each other, Its none of my business, I was just trying to diffuse the situation(dont know why, I must just be bored of Sunday telly). As for "chill Winston" Its a line from either lock stock I think, or maybe Snatch. I just use it quite often cos I am dead funny 

[wrighty]

I know what you mean about sundays.  I had a Cleaning Business for years and I have made a few friends on here and sold work and vans together with equipment.

I dont think financials and business agreements should be publicised on here as it shows how amateur some so called business people can be and the maturity of them.

I should do a post called IF I WAS SELLING AGAIN.

He has rubbed a few up the wrong way on here and changed names a few times.  Mine has always been Wrighty from day one as you can see if you check out my profile.

My Company was called Platinum Contracts but my name on here has never changed.

I like that saying Winston Ha Ha

Craig

[LWC]

You need to hear the way he says it, in a jamican type accent 

[LWC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGWEI390Pe8

[wrighty]

He certainly like that saying doesnt he 

[jsm]

not helped all the local window cleaner's into wfp .... id of had every house in my area now lol ...  

[wrighty]

HEY DIRTY WINDOWS JUST WATCH WHOU YOU CALL SCUMBAG!!!

AGAIN ANOTHER TIT SHOOTING HIS MOUTH OFF NOT KNOWING THE FACTS

[Ste M]

Don't get me wrong wrighty but why don't you explain your side a bit then instead of shouting abuse back at people. At first what your brother says does sound like he was ripped off as he paid an extra 5k for some work, its only when you read between the lines that you discover that he actually bought it on the tick.

Do you and your brother not get on or something? Not being funny like but your slagging each other off on a public forum and it don't look good. 

[darren clarke]

wrighty,  so who is platinum clean north west   or PCNW,  as i alwasy thought it was danny and then got told it was his brother,  and then he was leaving to have a building company, as there was a lot of confusion from a lot of people of who was who,  as people where always claiming to be someone else, 


what is ur side of the story, but i can only give opinions on what people put on here, said he payed 25000 for 2500 worth of work, which to me is very expensive,

i cant understand why u didnt take the 20000 cash over monthly payments,  i would of took the cash and then helped your brother build a round,

[wrighty]

Blue Monkey,

I have been Wrighty and Wrighty only on here for some time as you can see from my profile.  Dan has been GCS, PCNW, Platinum North West, Platinum Contracts.

The confusion may be that my company was called Platinum Contracts.

To give you a good Idea of whos who you should speak to Ronnie Paton.

firstly,  my company was established for nearly 7 years built by me from scratch.  Work was well priced and top quality as Ronnie will tell you as he bought some commercial and domestic from me.

I dont agree in how he can say he got ripped off as you can see I was offered cash for the work he bought which was about £3200 per month.  He knew what the work was as he cleaned it everyday for years from leaving school as I employed him so he had a better insight into the work I was selling better than anyone.  He lost customers for whatever reason I dont know but rather than leave him with no job I turned down cash and let him pay me monthly then silly me reduced the installments to further help him.  Without me doing this he would have had no job and no money so as I see it I had set him up in business without him outlaying big money that he never had and I also give him the tools to do the job including buying him a van.

He lives with my mum (i dont believe in giving figures as to what he pays but its next to nothing)so how he could not afford to pay me back the original £1k per month is beyond me and to be honest he started to run it into the ground since I sold it but it was solid when I had it.

He later tried to sell work that he still owed me money for and keep it so who is the villain?

Deffo not me.  I could go on but we still speak but I dont think he knows I still come on here to see whats going on.  I cannot believe what has been potrayed and to give figures out publicly is bizarre, like I say it shows what a good business man he is.

He has rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way on here and I think its the reason behind the name changes.

All I can say is my reputation in business speaks for itself not just when I had the cleaning company and I have sold vans to people on here and developed good relationships.

When I sold my last round I encouraged the new owner to come on here as it gives inspiration to you I feel when you are in this trade.

All I can say is I am Wrighty and thats what it will be in years to come.

I would now be interested in your view now you know the facts.

Finally the reason I didnt help him to get a round from scratch is because I had all the best bits and had no time to help him start up due to my business commitments, so I done him a favour and this is what I get.

£25,000 included about £3000 of debt that he collected and spent so this would of been a good injection of cash if used properly.  Yes he did have an idea to start a building company but it never got off the ground so from leaving school all he as done is work for me cleaning windows domestic and commercial and builders cleans.  Thats why I cannot believe he agrees he got ripped off.  Without me he would have had no job in the first place, no funds to buy a van never mind the business.  I am involved in a number of businesses and thought this would give him a good footing for future income etc but in my opinion he fell at the first hurdle.

A good example of what I think happened is when I was at school I delivered milk.  When I left a few years later I had my own business delivering milk.  The difference is at school I loved it but when it was my own I began to hate it as it was much harder running the business and not just doing a job and I think he experienced the same with this. 

Craig

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Just shows, two sides to every story.

Wrighty, your brother, is he a mummy's boy, maybe a tad spoiled?

[wrighty]

Hi,

Well Its not for me to comment really but he should not go divulging business in public it is totally unacceptable.

I think it is a private matter but he has choosen to make it public and come out with some silly comments but I hope my side clears the matter up to the forum members.

Craig

[davids3511]

Hi,

Well Its not for me to comment really but he should not go divulging business in public it is totally unacceptable.

I think it is a private matter but he has choosen to make it public and come out with some silly comments but I hope my side clears the matter up to the forum members.

Craig

Hiya Wrighty, I don't read it that he is slagging you off. He did make a point of saying he mithered you for the work and that you had a cash offer of 20k which you turned down so he could have the work. He also said you dropped the payments from 1k to £500 a month when he couldn't afford them.

I think its more a case of he just wishes he had done things differently.

[wrighty]

Hi Davids,

Possibly but what could he do with no money or job and no lending facilities?

You cannot start a business with none of the above

He did mither but he still got a ready made profitable business and the tools to go from day one so how can he look back and regret it as he says.

his choices was my business which was fantastic or the dole?

if you look back he agrees with someone that he got ripped off which I think is nonsense and I think the person saying I ripped him off will see diferently when they read my post.

I strongly disagree with him publicising what we agreed and I dont think that going public and making the comments and agreeing he got ripped off shows any gratitude to me.

It is simple that without me he would not even have transport never mind a thriving business I built up for years for him to buy in instalments then run into the ground.

If I had of taken the cash offer he would have had no job, no transport, no equipment and no business making the good profit.  He was instantly quids in making profit from day 1 so you tell me if you had a business taking £3200 per month approx not afford to pay me £1k per month with little overheads?  He also had £3k of debt to collect that he never cleaned to add on to his first month so if effect his first month would have been £6200.  I didnt ask him for the other £3k I just included it onto what we agreed of which you know is £25k so in month one like i say he had a great cash flow to work with etc but over time he seemed to lose custom which you can accept but you always pick up more

When he was my employee he never collected etc so it was a big shock to suddenly have a good business and good income.


All this 4 x monthly clean etc is b******s.  Its worth what its worth.

as an example I was going to buy a cafe we all used to use when I was cleaning windows.

building cost £100k business £25K
total £125k
business profits £100 pw

I declined to proceed as you can expect.

after hearing my side and answering your post

1, Does it sound to you he was ripped off as he agreed with Blue Monkey
2,You tell me am I the Scumbag as described by DIRTYWINDOWS

I believe these comments are said due to Dans portrayal of our deal which should have been kept private

I look forward to hearing your views.

Craig 

[Clive McDonald]

I read the comments and the giste i got was that he felt a bit sorry for himself.I didn't take it that he blamed you.He plunged himself into debt and you turned down a cash offer to favour him.You also let him drop the payments he'd agreed.

I took it that he'd bit off more than he could chew.I didn't take it that he was trying to make you look bad.


My opinion as a neutral is that you were a good brother and he now has a good business.I can understand you being annoyed.I hope you can sort it out and remain friends.

[Nameless Drudge]

Heres my view,this was an excellent thread,now its all about YOUR ego. Kettle calling the pot black if you ask me when you mention a lack of professionalism.