[gewindows]

most jobs pay the minimum wage now so £5.83ph, so that £46.64 per day earnings.
for a full days hard work for an agency around here, as there is no proper full time jobs.

Most jobs advertised in job centres for dunderheads pay the minimum wage, that doesnt mean most jobs.

[Ian Lancaster]

£64.40 is still more than an average days wage for most people

How did you work that out Einstein?

The office of national statistics shows that your thinking isn't as accurate as you'd like to think it is, apparently those in the know reckon its £98.00 a day.

The results of the 2009 ASHE show that median weekly pay for full-time employees in the UK grew by 2.0 per cent in the year to April 2009 to reach £489. Median earnings of full-time male employees were £531 per week in April 2009; for women the median was £426.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

As always, statistics can be made to show what you want them to show.  These figures include all employees - directors and senior executives are also employees so their wages will influence the average upwards.  The original statement was that £64.40 is more than a days pay for most people - still probably true as 'most people' wouldn't include the fat cat brigade.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

It's the average of the majority then?

By the way the subject is : Cost per customer, any more comments?

[gewindows]

It would appear according to those statistics then that if yo pull your finger out in this game then you are a 'fat cat'!

I'd like to confirm that that is easily a possiblity.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Thats pretty much tru Ewan as my costs have stayed the same whereas my income has gon up so if this year my costs are the same again, and my turnover has increased the % will change. Ians way works backdated, I want something to work upfront and knowing it will likely cost £3.00 to service each tracsaction gives me something to play with.

[darren clarke]

i worked it out like this

40 h x 5.85   220
tank of fuel     60
water              15
insurance van  15
emp ins            15       
this comes to  325

325 divide by 100 houses +  3.25 a house
 
theres a few other things to add but nothing major,  so if the van turns over say 700 - 325  the van will make you  375  roughly

[Nigel Lee]

i worked it out like this

40 h x 5.85   220
tank of fuel     60
water              15
insurance van  15
emp ins            15       
this comes to  325

325 divide by 100 houses +  3.25 a house
 
theres a few other things to add but nothing major,  so if the van turns over say 700 - 325  the van will make you  375  roughly

£5.85 is employment costs? 

[darren clarke]

hourly rate

[Nigel Lee]

What about the other employment costs?

£5.85 for a decent employ is a big ask these days isn't it?

[darren clarke]

i went off what was the rate in cornwall,  where if any thing is over miminum wage u r lucky,

i just worked it out on night  so see weather it is viable as well as a wage, u have the fuel, water, public lia and employers lia, van insurance, once u have worked out what all these are then  add them up and divided by how many jobs u want them to do and it gives you the answer,

[Smudger]

is there some info missing here BM 

don't you as the employer have to pay towards the NI and what about holiday pay etc...

things are never straight forward,

back to the topic, interesting,  what about tax ? was that included

Darran

[darren clarke]

i will work something out as aint watching enders,  i just need to know what some ones employers liability is

[Nigel Lee]

I am not up to speed with wage demands down there, but if your thinking of taking someone on self employed I don't think £5.85 is viable.  He will move on first chance he gets.  Factor in down time, lots of rain down there isn't there?

You can do it, but I think your margins are tighter than your forecast.

[darren clarke]

they wont be self employes,  they can only be self employed if they use there own van put in there own fuel and use there own gear and rent a round,  i was looking at some one working on a van with me,

[gewindows]

Holiday pay, sick, down time, bad weather, maternity/paternity pay, employers N.I contributions, equipment outlay, equipment maintenance, equipment replacement, vehicle depreciation. Darren your list is more than hopeful mate.

[darren clarke]

i know it was only something i did one night when i was bored and trying to work out what it would cost to employ someone, as only wanted to know roughly what each job cost me to also help work out a basic price, 

[AuRavelling79]

i worked it out like this

40 h x 5.85   220
tank of fuel     60
water              15
insurance van  15
emp ins            15       
this comes to  325

325 divide by 100 houses +  3.25 a house
 
theres a few other things to add but nothing major,  so if the van turns over say 700 - 325  the van will make you  375  roughly

40 x 5.85 = £234 not £220

[darren clarke]

dont know where i got 220 from