[Ian101]

Starting to get a bigger round now up to just under 200 customers so can see a time when I will have more work than I could cope with ..... hopefully .... still 99% trad so was thinking will need a part timer early next year but that incurs extra insurances etc N.I etc and then if they fall they may sue me so apart from the benefits asocciated with WFP how much more productive does it make you ... perhaps one for Daz to answer as I know he has just gone over to WFP ??

[deeege]

Blimey, it was only a month or so ago you were trying to get past 60 customers. Is that all from canvassing or did you buy some work?

(you don't have to answer that question obviously, I'm just curious)

[Ian101]

both canvassing and bought 2 lots of work within days of one another touched lucky on one of them guy was retiring thru ill health and wanted a quick sale  60% bought work and 40% canvassing or there abouts.

[gewindows]

You can double your output perfectly easily with wfp compared to trad.

[Ian101]

You can double your output perfectly easily with wfp compared to trad.

really as much as that !!!!! 

[jonboywalton75]

Double may be a bit optimistic, but if u go
straight to van mount and miss out the b/pack trolley route u will b a lot quicker.

[dazmond]

i would say im a full day faster overall a week so instead of my weeks work taking me 5 days on ladders,its 4 with wfp! .ive only been wfp for 3 months.also im cleaning more windows than i was on ladders so more money!and more money again as im not getting behind with my round!i will prob speed up even more after a few more months.i have 340 custies and now ive got time to fit a few more in!



dazmond

[JSMC]

TBH this  doing the work in half the time ia myth to me i'm afraid. Smetime son some jobs it's quick but on others i feel Trad is just as quick. WFP is a good tool for me and nothing else

[gewindows]

Double may be a bit optimistic

Its not optimistic, its what I did almost immediately after 10 years on the ladder.

If you cant increase your output to that kind of extent your not trying hard enough.

[Paul Coleman]

Starting to get a bigger round now up to just under 200 customers so can see a time when I will have more work than I could cope with ..... hopefully .... still 99% trad so was thinking will need a part timer early next year but that incurs extra insurances etc N.I etc and then if they fall they may sue me so apart from the benefits asocciated with WFP how much more productive does it make you ... perhaps one for Daz to answer as I know he has just gone over to WFP ??

When I first switched over, I had a round that took me about 6 weeks trad under normal conditions.  It wasn't graft and it wasn't a skive.  Just a reasonable pace.  When I had been around that work 3 - 4 times with a pole system, I was doing it in just over four weeks.  By the time I had started honing my skills  , trimming time off here and there, and generally working by habit instead of thinking every move, I actually got it down to about 3 and a half weeks at one point.  I was motoring that time around though.  Now it could be said that I was too slow with trad.  I think the reality is that I was about average pace or slightly above - for an experienced window cleaner.  I was actually have a week and a half or two weeks off every six weekly cycle.  I had time for 3 cheap holidays in one year LOL.  But then I decide to get my rear end in gear and start repaying some debts.  These days I have a very full schedule again as I took on a fair bit of subbie work as well as building my own work back up.

[Richard Neal]

I have a regular round that i have had part time help with for the last couple of years, went over to wfp abot 8 weeks ago and now work mostly on my own, i had to go in hospital and take a week off in this time as well and im still up to date with my round, i reckon i could do another 100 houses a month on my own before i need help now, its given me the push i needed to build the round up to the next level, wfp has definately increased my work levels and im findinding that noe im on 2nd cleans im flying along, some days ive earnt the same by lunchtime as was taking me all day to acheive trad, the only work ive kept trad is bungalows and shop fronts.
I use a pure freedom trolley as a van mount with a 50metre hose or a mobile unit if needed, when i eventually change to a bigger van i will go van mount but will keep the trolley as well.
Good luck if you go wfp you wont regret it!

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Double may be a bit optimistic

Its not optimistic, its what I did almost immediately after 10 years on the ladder.

If you cant increase your output to that kind of extent your not trying hard enough.
Or you were painfully slow at trad cleaning!!

[gewindows]

No my hourly rate trad was just fine thanks very much.

£22.00 an hour trad.


As this thread has now migrated to that kind of posting I'll break the golden rule that some people view shouldnt be broken on here. Today I earnt £205 WFP in 4 hours. That is achievable or at least a rate of 80% of that per hour WFP.

If you cant do that you're not trying hard enough.

[AuRavelling79]

>Rise n Shine

If I take my best work then I can match what you acheived today on wfp in 4 hours. But I'd wager you don't have many 8 hour days at that level. (ie £410)

Also you won't on average do 8 hours "on the glass" for five days a week - remember all the driving and van moves and really bad weather and going to the bank etc.

Personally - when I take my trad turnover for the month/year - then it is about 50% higher wfp than trad for me. But my very best single days trad to best days wfp then the uplift is 100%.

>Original poster - yes wfp is a better alternative than a part timer. Then when you get to 250/300 domestic custies wfp you'll be after that part timer again!

[gewindows]

I dont do any 8 hour days thanks 

My average hourly rate is somewhere around the 40 an hour region. From the time I arrive at my first job to when I finish my last window, including driving. I put in something like 5 hours a day.

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

ian iv read this thread over n over m8
after 26yrs+ of trad iv ad wfp since xmas last yr
the talk ov double income blah blah blah etc
total nonsense on the domestic front atleast
1st cleans r nightmares 2nd third n even 4th headache city
learning yr round constantly atleast for a small bit ov yr round
im at hand lol granted on a big commercial job yes wfp will be quicker
safer but 100% cleaner theres the question 2 , 3 times brushing rinsing
rerinsing headaches all round , a very gud friend of mine is 100%
wfp on all his work , hes no quicker than me if im tradding
FACT as for employing thats up to you right guy is worth is weight in gold
from small acorns, come large oak  trees , all the main companys in this game started at the bottom m8 im not saying im any larger than you
but knowledge n exp will get you where your going
quicker if you get me , price right , work hard ,succeed , having a gud
reputation is paramount build on good foundation.

[Ian101]

Gav ... a lot quicker thanks to this great forum ... ahead in the knowledge stakes by at least 18 months I think.

Thinking seriously though about WFP for spring next year ... employing is after that I think ... mmmm Im sure thats the best order.

[Londoner]

Life gets a whole lot more complicated once you start taking on help. Unless you employ doleys cash in hand and then you still have all the problems with quality and them not turning up.

WFP is quicker IMO but the big thing is its easier and less tiring.

My advice would be to concentrate on maximising your own potential and profitablity for a while yet and stay unencumbered.