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Mike Halliday

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best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« on: August 29, 2010, 11:04:29 am »
 found this on ICS site, sorry if its a bit scientific for anyone..



The chemistry is a combination of both the top down (like layers of an onion being peeled away) , and bottom up ( assembling angstrom particles to create the end result) methods of creating nano particles. The particles range from 2 to 4 nano size micelles. They are a product of a chemical reaction in conjunction with a mechanical process. The process starts with larger molecules of several plant based ingredients that are used to process mechanically and allow chemical reactions of these ingredients. The starting point ingredients have no chemical or physical relation to the end product. Hence, we can state that the process involves both Feyman's and Drexier’s definitions.

The micelles behave and interact within the electromagnetic spectrum of forces which is how most chemical reactions (and many other phenomenons) are described.

The other forces that Paul Lucas mentioned (Aside from Holy Spirit) deal with:
• quarks and gluons and are 100 times stronger than electromagnetic forces,
• particle decay,
• and gravity.

The 2 nanometer micelle that we have formulated is comprised of very, very, very small, about one nanometer, linear short chain fatty acids and fatty esters. These linear molecules combine to form a sphere that has a hydrophilic shell and lipophilic core. The micelle surrounds itself with a number of water molecules to become hyper mobile (Brownian Movement). The interior collections of lipophilic heads have a strong polar attraction for Carbons through the water molecule outer “shield”.

The micelle, being much smaller than a surfactant, can disconnect the covalent bonds of long chain hydrocarbons. The degree, to which the micelles can disrupt molecular bonding, depends on the type of bond: ionic, covalent, polar covalent, hydrogen etc., and how close the micelle can get to critical junction points of a long chain carbon (oil). The relative strength of chemical bonds revolves around distance. The closer a micelle can get, the more likely it is to break the bond. Regular surfactants rarely can do this.

The key element to stress in our nano-surfactant vs. a regular surfactant is the following statement: There is a huge difference in surface area to volume ratio.

Our product has exponentially more surface area to surround the soil/water interface than a conventional surfactant by virtue of the size of the micelle compared to the size of a typically long chain surfactant. To illustrate: Visualize a 55 gallon drum full of basketballs vs. a drum full of marbles. Nanoparticles have a very large surface area which typically results in greater chemical reactivity, biological activity and catalytic behavior, compared to larger particles of the same chemical composition

Also, our micelles often behave like sequestering agents. This is why we do not have to add products like EDTA to our product. We use this product for contaminant remediation involving heavy metals because of this ability.

Similarly, because of the small size, the micelle gets into tighter spots, along the oil/water interface, and may reduce the interfacial energy better than a surfactant. This is great for penetrating deep into the foundation and knots of the hand woven rug that is washed by a total immersion wash system.

The manner in which the micelles behave does not always follow the predictable chemical bonding mechanics. Hence the statement made earlier about non Newtonian behavior.

When our wash tub contains the chemistry, instead of washing it away like a river, you get more bangs for you effort. The synergy of the tools washing the rugs is heightened by our centrifuge flinging those tiny micelles out with the rinse water. Saves cost on manual labor, water, and chemistry!

Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Graeme@Access

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 11:21:27 am »
Mike,

As a PhD chemist who has began to research this area, i think a lot of this is tech'd up nonsense.

Without pouring too much grey matter on this post: (if it turns into a heated debate i may take some time to fully debunk it)

Quarks make atoms - this has nothing to do with colloids (its about scale)

Gravity? yeah great it makes apples fall from trees.

You would never be able to break a covelant bond with a coiloid. Well maybe if you boiled it, but covelant bonds are very strong and require much energy to break. Making and breaking them is the fundamental principle of chemistry.

A simpler way to think of these things is like small spikey wrecking balls that fly around in solution knocking bits off a particle. They are just small energetic particles (nanometer scale vs quark sub angstrom scale).

Need to go shopping for food, which is made up of quarks that form atoms which are covelantley bonded to each other. Thousands of years of evolution allow some pretty complicated structures to break these down to give me energy. I may need it if this post takes off.

Graeme
Access Cleaning Solutions

Colin Day

Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 11:30:45 am »
Erm.... Anyone fancy a pint? (Of Beer!) ;D ;D ;D

Doug Holloway

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 11:34:26 am »
Hi Graeme/ Mike,

It would be interesting to see the results of Graeme's research but my feeling is similar to his, that there is an awful lot of technical bull in that article.

The use of words like nano and angstrom make it all sound incredibly complex but in reality they are just measuring terms, nano being 10 to the power -9 and angstrom 10 to the power -10, so an angstrom is a tenth of a nanometre.

Put another way a nanometre is 0.0000000001 metres and an ansgstrom is 0.00000000001 metres.

Which all means it is very small and going on at a molecular level but we know that!

Brownian motion is where particles are in continual motion and this is how colloids work. It is like having a massive sugar cube in the middle of wembley stadium with a hundred thousand people all on the pitch and all moving around continually bumping into to each other and the cube which will gradually be broken down.

Cheers

Doug


Mike Halliday

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 12:32:36 pm »
this came from a company in the USA, its the first time I have seen this type of chemical mentioned in the USA, I thought it was bit strange that over here it is quite a big development, but it had been largly ignored over there.

www.centrum-force.com

is the company is this link does'nt work then search the name

look under the 'cleaning agents' side button
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Steve. Taylor

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 12:39:54 pm »
Has it got a towbar :P
Steve T       All the gear but no idea!
www.leatherrepairsouthampton.co.uk

fitz2kleen

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 01:36:44 pm »
make mine a large one plz, easy on the coke  :o

Sam Davies

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 04:48:42 pm »
Mork and Mindy recommend Nano Nano

robert meldrum

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 06:27:44 pm »
The technology in terms of carpet cleaning has been quietly in use in the US for some time it originated I believe in Canada.

Going back a bit further, colloids have been used in the laundry industry for quite some time. I got a sample about 12 years ago but it was so highly concentrated - thicker than Wynns oil - I thought it was unusable and dumped it ......................then a few years later we got the colloid explosion!


Sam Davies

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 07:10:45 pm »
To be able to produce a cleaning compound that has the ability to be sprayed directly onto a carpet and be extracted immediately removing all the soil and spots and odours leaving the carpet extremely clean with no health concerns or residues is I think more important than trying to analyze dated and extremely complicated formulas that 99 per cent of us don’t care about or understand
Sam.

robert meldrum

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Re: best explanation on how Micelles/colloids work
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2010, 10:54:18 pm »
Sure Sammy but it does'nt exist yet and while we're waiting why not keep experimenting, If I still used the rubbish that was available 30 years ago I'd have to work harder and I'd have to use anti foam on every job............ something I've not needed for the past 10 or more years.