[Martin ccs]

months back alot were saying that the forums gone down hill, i feel its getting alot worse.

like kids bitching at each other all the time!

guys giving advice on kit or system they dont even have!

too many cowboys on here now - a good 20% of cowboys on here!

still some great posts n guys on here but its getting harder n harder to find a good post and good guys with experience!

this forum needs a section for big companies and a section for guys with experience!

i think wc in general is getting worse and worse with too many scummy crackheads starting out with a pound shop bucket and kit and a dirty old tea towel and its giving the wc name an ever badder name.

as i said before there are some great guys n posts on here so i dont want to cause any offence to anyone.

[paul rulton]

i think wc in general is getting worse and worse with too many scummy crackheads starting out with a pound shop bucket and kit and a dirty old tea towel and its giving the wc name an ever badder name.
i hear wot ur sayin m8  gave me a proppa belly wobble the way u put it tho 
1st bloody class Martin 

[Martin ccs]

it is getting alot worse tho isnt it? its not the forums fault - its wc in general more and more are looking into wc as an easy option of work - which is fine but when its idiots and crackheads that dont have a bloody clue it does my head in!

im not saying you need a load of big sign written vans and and a ionics system.

i see some posts asking for a price on a job they are doing with a few pics - one will say £60 and the next says £400!
cracks me up!

wc trade/name is gonna get alot worse with v v v unpro guys trying to clean windows.

its bad that alot of guys cant even use a mop n blade! its like a cheif that can cook chicken but not steak!

[paul rulton]

im with u on that m8  ive been on the windys just over 20years. ive seen a hell of a lot come & go round my way. still alot out there...... BUT NOT MANY I WOULD GIVE A JOB TOO 

[R W C™]

I think calling people crack head is going a little ott, yes its got worse but you just learn to only answer certain posts and leave the rest, this post is just as bad as the ones your refering too, as for prices it all comes down to areas I speak to a lad in Scotland on msn and what he charges for a £8 job id get for £20 thats just life....

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

THINK ITS JUS THE SAME
as always though some r a lot better
than others they know who they are 

[Darranvps]

I can't really say as I have only been on a few month's.
However.........

It doesn't seem too bad most of the time, just the odd occasion.
I think that in general mostly experienced and professional window cleaners use this site.
Also there seems to be some good lads on here, a few who I have spoken with on the phone and have even met up.
I think anybody should be able to ask for help and advice, we all have something to learn. I also think it is good for people to give advice, so you get to see a few opinions, and different views from different parts of the country.

[MoemGorod]

... and different views from different parts of the country.

...of the world, in fact.

Best regards from Russia,

Vadim

[darren clarke]

the problem i see is that it is like a school with a new head master,  who wants to sort the place out and start makingmoney, has got rid of a few people and that has up set a few,    they have to follow what the sponsors want,  because they basically pay for the site,  the only way to get it so u could do what u wanted was to charge a membership fee,  and when a i asked that a few months ago, a lot said they wouldnt

[Darranvps]

... and different views from different parts of the country.

...of the world, in fact.

Best regards from Russia,

Vadim

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[paul rulton]

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come on tell us wot it says    or did u just hit buttons lol

[cleanandshine]

this forum needs a section for big companies and a section for guys with experience!

i think wc in general is getting worse and worse with too many scummy crackheads starting out with a pound shop bucket and kit and a dirty old tea towel and its giving the wc name an ever badder name.

Please take us though how you stared out .dont all window cleaners start at the Bottom and work there way up.i think its people like you the forum dont need .

[Darranvps]

Its something like *regards*
I have been to Moscow about 2 years ago, great place. I also sent staff to St Petersburg, they said it was fantastic - I wish I would have gone
Until the Brits drink real Russian Vodka, they have no clue to how good it is.

[AJ]

To be honest, thats how we started out. two guys been on the dole for 6 months, had enough of crappy jobs with crappy wages and thought we could do better on our own, till something better comes along.
That was 21 years ago, nothing better has come along!
I wish I had the benefit of a forum like this then, could have cut out some of the mistake we made.
Hard work & long hours trying to build a business doesn't suit everyone. I enjoy what I do, but anyone who thinks its a quick fix or instant money soon find out they are wrong, these are the ones that will fall by the wayside.

[Mike_G]

I also think its getting worse but the reason I think its getting worse is because of posts like this!

[Darranvps]

To be honest, thats how we started out. two guys been on the dole for 6 months, had enough of crappy jobs with crappy wages and thought we could do better on our own, till something better comes along.
That was 21 years ago, nothing better has come along!
I wish I had the benefit of a forum like this then, could have cut out some of the mistake we made.
Hard work & long hours trying to build a business doesn't suit everyone. I enjoy what I do, but anyone who thinks its a quick fix or instant money soon find out they are wrong, these are the ones that will fall by the wayside.

I couldn't agree more.

[clean]

This forums been going down hill for a while and it ain`t just the members maybe the moderators could have something to do with it 

[e newlands]

theres probably only so many topics than can be talked about
i dont know how long this forums been running but these have probably been  exhausted and discussed many times in various forms
maybe some new sections  are needed
windows cleaners in their best mankinis
fruit of the day
readers wives

any thoughts !!!

[Paul Coleman]

To be honest, thats how we started out. two guys been on the dole for 6 months, had enough of crappy jobs with crappy wages and thought we could do better on our own, till something better comes along.
That was 21 years ago, nothing better has come along!
I wish I had the benefit of a forum like this then, could have cut out some of the mistake we made.
Hard work & long hours trying to build a business doesn't suit everyone. I enjoy what I do, but anyone who thinks its a quick fix or instant money soon find out they are wrong, these are the ones that will fall by the wayside.

Not so different for me either when I started in the recession of early 90s.
An old hatchback car which saw me through the first few months until the engine finally packed up.  A ladder borrowed from an out of trade plumber.  A few bits of advice from an old time window cleaner.  Literally knocking on doors for some work for the next day.  As they became regulars, the next time around there were a few less gaps to fill and so it went on.

Cowboy?  Probably - but I didn't know any better.

I only intended to do it until I got a job.  Quite by accident I stumbled across something that was so suitable for me that I'm still at it after 19 years.

When the engine packed up I had been self-employed for about 9 months so the bank lent me the money fore a vehicle.  I think the guy must have been on commission because he suggested that I call it a "car loan" rather than a "business loan for a van".  So I got a Nissan Sunny that was less than three years old for just 2 grand.  It was nine years before I sold it on.  I got quite attached to it.

[Darranvps]

I had a mini with a double 14ft ladder on top of it - without a roof rack!