[Sunshine/Cleaning]

I'm moved by the empathy that some of you have.   : You see a snapshot of someones life and are in a position to make judgements about them.
These people needed help to put them on the right track, they obviously didn't get it and sadly didn't have the skills needed themselves nor did they get them from their parents.
Thankfully the 'posh' couple have a greater sense of humanity and social awareness than some on here. They put aside their initial prejudices and seem to have a plan on how they could help and actually make a difference. It starts with educating them on family life, giving them a sense of purpose and inclusion. When society starts to do this change is possible. When they simply whinge about them, apart from making the whinger sound superior, nothing is accomplished.
Compared to some many of us have had a very easy start to life with parents who were able to socially educate us and give us a sense of worth and a good work ethic. Not everybody gets that. This couple clearly didn't. Hopefully with the help they recieve the next generation will move on and make something of themselves.
Thank goodness the 'posh' couple were prepared to help.

How do you know what any of us have come from, you dont know what up bringing any of us have had, I know for one that if I had a very low income I wouldnt have 5 kids, I have a disabled daughter, me and my misses have spoke about having another child but in the interest of ourselves, living space, our disabled daughter and other children we have decided against it because it just wouldnt be right, I think if them cameras wherent there that couple wouldnt of helped them out, they didnt want to do anything for that money and only decorated to make sure they got more cash.

And you do the right thing, no one would question your judgement as you know your situation better than anyone else. You dont however know what other people are thinking or their background.

I am sorry if you were offended by my comments, however I feel quite storongly in helping people to improve their social skills and background, it doesn't have to involve £'s and I think that was the point of the mentoring involved in the program.

To suggest that the couple only helped because of the camera is a bit harsh.

[Rob_Mac]

Are we saying that we should be showing children that it is acceptable to treat expensive gifts (from those that choose to give freely) with no regard, it is ok to make them filthy within a week.

Is it ok that we spill things over what should have been perceived as a precious gift and not clean the spillages. Is it ok to show our children these traits because we may have had a sh*te upbringing and to then perpetuate our sh*te upbringing because we feel hard done to in life.

Give me a break.!!

 I have watched all of the previous programmes in this series and the previous ones last year. On every other programme the poorer family showed humility and a desire to improve thier surroundings, at no point last night did I see any desire for self improvement or motivation from either parent to change the circumstances that they lived in.

I did feel their was something different about last nights and that is exactly the gist, as I saw it.

The words ' you cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear' spring to mind.

Rob

[R W C™]

Are we saying that we should be showing children that it is acceptable to treat expensive gifts (from those that choose to give freely) with no regard, it is ok to make them filthy within a week.

Is it ok that we spill things over what should have been perceived as a precious gift and not clean the spillages. Is it ok to show our children these traits because we may have had a sh*te upbringing and to then perpetuate our sh*te upbringing because we feel hard done to in life.

Give me a break.!!

 I have watched all of the previous programmes in this series and the previous ones last year. On every other programme the poorer family showed humility and a desire to improve thier surroundings, at no point last night did I see any desire for self improvement or motivation from either parent to change the circumstances that they lived in.

I did feel their was something different about last nights and that is exactly the gist, as I saw it.

The words ' you cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear' spring to mind.

Rob

This is my point, Ive watched every single episode and last night was different, theres been people that have had failed businesses, couldnt work due to having disabled children etc etc, last nights was totally different to any I have watched in the past and I personally felt from what I saw last night is they only did certain things just to get the next cheque.....

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Are we saying that we should be showing children that it is acceptable to treat expensive gifts (from those that choose to give freely) with no regard, it is ok to make them filthy within a week.

Is it ok that we spill things over what should have been perceived as a precious gift and not clean the spillages. Is it ok to show our children these traits because we may have had a sh*te upbringing and to then perpetuate our sh*te upbringing because we feel hard done to in life.

Give me a break.!!

 I have watched all of the previous programmes in this series and the previous ones last year. On every other programme the poorer family showed humility and a desire to improve thier surroundings, at no point last night did I see any desire for self improvement or motivation from either parent to change the circumstances that they lived in.

I did feel their was something different about last nights and that is exactly the gist, as I saw it.

The words ' you cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear' spring to mind.

Rob

I agree it's not acceptable, but it's the parents who need training socially, hopfully the mentoring will help them do this.
Some people simply give up in life and I felt that is what the mother had done. She couldn't cope with her situation. All I could compare it with was her demeanor at the end of the program, to me she had made some effort.
And it is true a sows ear will never be a silk purse, however you can teach people to appreciate the the ear of a sow has some purpose and value to the sow. The mother is the only one the kids will have and they have to make the best of their situation.

[Rob_Mac]

Stuart

I agree with you and for the sake of the children I hope that the wealthy couple do not perceive that they are having the proverbial p*ss taken out of them because it is certainly not the childrens fault that the circumstances are what they are.

It would be interesting to see how the couple last night and previous couples have faired since they have been managed by wealth, with a programme or two showing what they have achieved since the programme was filmed.

I may have come across as someone who does not care about others, that couldn't be further from the truth. Unfortunately or fortunately I seem to have an ability to pick up on peoples ideals and I can spot apathy within moments of meeting someone.

I would give no time to someone who doesn't care but if I said to someone that they could change their ways and I could see a light switch on I would dedicate as much time as would be required to help them.

Rob

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

A follow up would be interesting for sure.
You would hope that some effort would be put in to improve what they had, rather than hang on for what they want.
We did comment that the dad was living outside the home due to benefits. First of all they have to get over this fo any hope of improvement. (If that was the reason) 

[R W C™]

A follow up would be interesting for sure.
You would hope that some effort would be put in to improve what they had, rather than hang on for what they want.
We did comment that the dad was living outside the home due to benefits. First of all they have to get over this fo any hope of improvement. (If that was the reason) 

There is no way in the world I would not be in the home that my family is, It just baffles me that he didnt live with his wife and children  due to overlaod but as soon as they mention that they will be entitled to a bigger home if he moved in, surely being in a 2 bedroom home with 3 children you realise that the home isnt big enough so why have more and then for him to move out, Just doesnt add up thats why I personally believe he was living there all along.... Just my opinion...........

[R W C™]

And they do have updates on the familys, The best one I see was millionaire who had 2 sisters die of heroine....

[Dennis Taylor]

I agree...... you should walk a mile in his shoes, that way you'll be at least a mile away before he realises that his shoes are missing   

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

the state ov him was terrible
wc yeah rite cudnt even clean his teeth 

[Ian Lancaster]

I agree...... you should walk a mile in his shoes, that way you'll be at least a mile away before he realises that his shoes are missing   

Very droll, Dennis

[boshravie]

Very live discussion  guys,  but understand this:
Most people never think about what they want in their lives. They live without this knowledge
or fore thought and become victims of their own circumstance. Work is just about a job – to
get by financially. Life becomes a series of issues like choosing to live somewhere because the
rent is cheap, never understanding how to be in relationships or becoming ineffectual
parents. The list goes on and on. Within yourself there is a craving for more. Is it substance,
contact or a deeper understanding of life? No one has ever introduced such people to the
concept of endless possibility. “As a man thinketh, so is he.”