[simonc]

just interested...Still trying out microsplitters...wondered i use altecs ultimate master as a rinse via the machine of course...do you guys use anything apart from H2o....Simon

[dave401uk]

why would you use ultimate master as a rinse??

this would defeat the ph natural finish of m/s
When you use m/s you dont need anything other than plain water for the rinse,

[Shaun_Ashmore]

UM dries neutral

Shaun

[garyj]

Phew, I thought it was just me. I know I shouldn't but I also often use Ultimate Master in the tank after pre-spraying with MS. I know its overkill but I  like the result.

[dave401uk]

Shaun, i think you will find, u/m doesn't dry neutral, not since it was reformulated a short while ago, but i could be wrong.

Dave

[Gavin Reardon]

Hi

I THINK YOUR RIGHT

Regards  Gav

[garyj]

I've also started making my own water, I usually mix 2 buckets of H with one bucket of O.

[john rees]

I think maybe the answer is aggitation? I've upgraded from a duo to an envirodry E40 and have noticed a big difference,yesterday I cleaned a really trashed beige lounge carpet for a customer pre-vac,then sprayed microsplitter then aggitated,the customer came in and was over the moon with her nice clean carpet and I hadn't even rinsed it!!!! when rinsed with only water the carpet seems to dry much quicker than with a detergent rinse.....and that is something all customers really want, it's always near the top of thier list of questions when booking.........how long will it take to dry!! 

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

Just checked ultimate Master is pH 9.5 when in solution but is 'self neutralising'

I think John has made a very valid point about agitation , lets face it the Duo is a toy in that respect.

MS are the phosphate part of the cleaning formulation which are effective in shearing the dirt .

The surfactant is responsible for wetting out and suspending the dirt.

Take out the detergent/surfactant  and you have to replace with agitation.

I 'm now going to mention the unmentionable word , TIME.

More agitation requires more time, particularly with a Host or Envirodri

Putting detergent in the tank will remove the need for agitation in most cases.

'Time is money my boy' , your decision.

Cheers,

Doug

[Mike_Boxall]

Interesting topic...........

(I didn't think Microsplitters would catch on the first place  )

Regards

Mike

[Michel Roberts]

Garyj

Thats very, very funny.

One of the best lines on these boards for a long time

It went over my head on first reading

Regards Michel

Ps Can't do smileys

[Ian Rochester]

Tend to agree with Doug on this, MS take longer to use than detergent cleaning, I use traditional detergents with my Extracta Scrubba and get excellent results every time and a lot of very satisfied customers, repeat business and recommendations.

I cannot see the point in using MS, agitating and then having to use a detergent rinse to get the result you are after.  If you are going to use MS then it should be used as intended with a CLEAN WATER RINSE to remove all residues. Agitation seems to be the key to getting good results from MS.

I do however use MS for most suites with one of Nicks microsplitter gloves and a clean water rinse and get excellent results, but the only reason I do it this way is because with the glove I can agitate into all the grooves and nooks on the suite easier than with the hand tool alone.

[Derek]

I have been using Micro-splitters for several years now and they work exceedingly well with a plain water rinse.

The number of passes required is minimal (Quicker drying) and they really do have the ability to clean dirty carpets providing the correct procedures are followed.

I have had calls recently from a couple of cleaners who have had problems using one of the self-neutralising chemicals as a rinse. 
BMs (before microsplitters) I did use one brand of self-neutralising chemicals 'as a pre-spray' on a regular basis followed by a low pH (acidic) rinse solution with superb results

Derek

[garyj]

  Cheers Michel.


Ultimate Master still dries neutral.
Alltec do some fantastic chemicals which often get overlooked on here. Awful website though whoever designed it should be Rotovac'd and sprayed with chewing gum freezer.