[seandyer2003]

you cant have them on self employed un less they use there own vehicle own equipment and have there own work

Also correct me if i am wrong but if you are self employed it is illegal for you to only work for one person?

yeah

[fenman]

It is not illegal to only work for one person and be self employed.
You are not breaking any laws but you are not self employed and should not be paid as such.
HMRC would class you as employed and would go for the easy target which would be the person you have worked for.
They can go back up to 7 years and claim all the tax that should have been paid and the N.I. which would add up to a lot of money and of course they have all the time and money in the world to persue you through the courts.
Is it worth the risk.
Do you fancy losing your house.

[Tosh]

If you want to find the difference between a sub-contractor and an employee, you should have a look here:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/paye/employees/start-leave/status.htm

Judging by some of the posts, I think some of you are employing, rather than sub-contracting.

You've got to be careful!  Have a read of the above link.  You may find you're employing rather than sub-contracting; and this can leave you open to all sorts of litigation.

I've been given some good advice with regards to this issue, but can't post it now, 'cos I'm in the middle of cooking dinner; but even this 'good advice' was tempered with a 'but it's very thin ice'.

[craig b]

window fitters,taxi drivers,fascia & guttering fitters , removal out fit, parcel delivery..

this is only some of the ones that i know sub work.. why cant window cleaners do it..

D.H.L even do it........

[Steve CM]

window fitters,taxi drivers,fascia & guttering fitters , removal out fit, parcel delivery..

this is only some of the ones that i know sub work.. why cant window cleaners do it..

D.H.L even do it........

interesting post. I would like to know how they get round it to.

this is what i found from a taxi company advertising on the net. surely this ios employed isn't it?

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We are **** largest taxi company leading the way through the 21st century with New Mercedes taxis, the vary latest in mobile GPS booking and despatch and  smartly dressed drivers doing mainly corporate work. We offer a wide range of working practises from P.A.Y.E. with holiday and sick pay to self employed with huge potential earnings. As well as family friendly hours for those of you who can’t work evenings or school holidays.
 

 For more information in obtaining your taxi badge or to apply for an information pack call ***

****taxis are currently recruiting for:
 * SELF EMPLOYED TAXI DRIVERS*

Earn up to £650 + tips with no over heads whatsoever. ****taxis will provide a new Mercedes, diesel and all work, you take a weekly 40% commission on your earnings.
 
Taxi Drivers with ****taxis:
Full-Time Drivers

As a full time driver you will be expected to do:

Monday – Friday: AM & PM rush hours 0700-1000 and 1330-1900

Monday – Thursday: One late night up to midnight

Friday Evenings: 1 out of 2

Saturday Evenings – 3 out of 4

 The benefit of being a full time driver is that you get to take the vehicle home with you, which means you will not have to come into the office daily to pick up a vehicle. We supply the vehicle, the fuel, the work; you will work on a 40% commission basis with earnings up to £650 per week.

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so how are these getting round it?

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Then hols etc can be paid at an average of there last 4-8 weeks ie if they arent hitting there target they only get base rate for hols!

You have to pay them the average of their last 12 weeks pay for their holiday pay. They must have 20 days holiday. This is increasing to 24 or so in April.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

Sorry that came out a bit RED

[craig b]

the tax man isnt as bad as you think...as long as the guy you self employ is straight..then it shouldnt come back round to you....

i have a little story about the taxman...but it would take to long to write..

end of it is..
taxman says as long as you our fair..we arnt stupid we know how if works..we know what you should be earning..if we think other wise then we will have a look...

this was a conversation with a window cleaner

[Tosh]

Personally, I'm not bothered whether anyone 'employs' or 'sub contracts', but I feel sorry for the guys who employ legitimately ; yet have to compete with guys who 'sub contract'; but are really have 'employees'.

That can't be fair, since the overheads for the latter are far less than the former; yet the returns could be similar.

[Clive McDonald]

Tosh not everyone is as honest as you. Most pay 300 basic with an off the books bonus 100- 150.

The so called self employed would do better than this, so the playing field isn't as uneven as you think.