[Mr T]

Hi, im trad at the minute and currently have 1 fella working for me.  My business is really starting to take of, i just want to know if i was to go wfp coud i do the work of 2 men?

[NWH]

Yes,after about a year with the pole you will be as quick as 2 trad easily.

[windowwashers]

Yes,after about a year with the pole you will be as quick as 2 trad easily.

I would say about 6 months myself if you are a quick learner

[bluez]

I would say that both of you would get through three mens work between ausing a mixture of wfp and trad for a while and that way you don't have to let your chap go, and if your biz is taking off it will allow you a bit of lee way.

[Mr T]

Cheers guys....

[windowwashers]

Cheers guys....

One thing Tags, if you go for it dont do upstairs wfp down trad do it all straight off.

Ian

[bluez]

Id agree with WW there tags don't mix them do each job either all wfp or all trad.

[cleanandshine]

One thing Tags, if you go for it dont do upstairs wfp down trad do it all straight off.

Ian

Can you tell me why this is ,,iv been wfp for 8 years and always done the ups wfp downs trad ,,

[Helen]

One thing Tags, if you go for it dont do upstairs wfp down trad do it all straight off.

Ian

Can you tell me why this is ,,iv been wfp for 8 years and always done the ups wfp downs trad ,,

Enlighten us guys. why not use both methods? we work this way and have no problem with it, unless of course it the "time/quickness" issue again.
Tags don't take it for granted that WFP is always quicker, because in some cases it is not. WFP is not all about speed it is about H & S too!]
Pricing right and taking your time makes for a good job done, repeat work and referrals

[Joe Lauzon]

Without knowing this guys round, to tell him he can go twice as fast with wfp is just of a load of bull quite frankly. 

This is a chaps livelihood here, lets not give him false hopes.  Sure _some_  jobs you may get it done twice as fast.

If your a fast trad window cleaner there isn't much in it overall, thats the honest reality in my opinion.  If your not quick, there is that much more room to speed up using wfp.

[bluez]

I have not suggested that he can go twice as fast!!

The reason I suggest that he not mix the two methods on the one job is that it allows comparisons between the quality of both systems and if it is not the intention to use a mixed method going forward it is likely that his customers will begin to be selective regarding which method is used on their property in my experience.

If it is your intention to use a mix of trad and wfp and you are happy to do that then fire away no harm in offering a choice to customers, just not my prefered way to operate, and it is just my opinion.

Another reason I dont do wfp top and trad bottom is that some houses drip from the upper windows and cause runs down the bottom windows depending on the style of building.

[Helen]

I have not suggested that he can go twice as fast!!

The reason I suggest that he not mix the two methods on the one job is that it allows comparisons between the quality of both systems and if it is not the intention to use a mixed method going forward it is likely that his customers will begin to be selective regarding which method is used on their property in my experience.


In our experience there is no difference in quality as long as you know what you are doing,  ...so many think great "a magic stick with a brush on the end" As long as you have explained to the customers that WFP complies with H & S etc etc they will not be selective, as they will want you to continue with your service, rather than be injured or worse having fallen off a ladder at their property. If customers do get selective then you haven't explained your methods, whichever you use, well enough at point of quote,or you have done a bad job. Remember you can get a bad job with trad methods as well as WFP.

If it is your intention to use a mix of trad and wfp and you are happy to do that then fire away no harm in offering a choice to customers, just not my prefered way to operate, and it is just my opinion.

You don't offer them the choice you work to your own methods and explain that at point of quote.....they can always say no if they don't want either method as can you if they stipulate trad only

Another reason I dont do wfp top and trad bottom is that some houses drip from the upper windows and cause runs down the bottom windows depending on the style of building.

You are right they do sometimes and every building property is different and this is why you should be noticing those sort of things at point of quote. Then you can inform the customer that "because of........ you will be using whatever method.
The main thing for people who are converting to WFP use is that not every property will be suited for WFP and not every window will be suited to WFP

I am useless at quoting other peoples threads...sorry!

[bluez]

Ya I know what you mean about quoting others posts Helen.

You have clarified my point exactly, "If you know what you are doing" as the original poster is a newbie to wfp I am making an assumption that it will require a period of time to become expert in your new equipment / methods and that during that time it is in my opinion better to avoid comparisons.

I agree with all of your points if we are talking about an experienced operator, however the question would not have been posed by an experienced operator as they would have been in possession of that information having learnt through experience.

That being said it is only my opinion, use it, don't use I don't mind.

[windowwashers]

One thing Tags, if you go for it dont do upstairs wfp down trad do it all straight off.

Ian

Can you tell me why this is ,,iv been wfp for 8 years and always done the ups wfp downs trad ,,

I cannot see the need to trad all downstairs windows alot of the time wfp is quicker and keeps frames clean. Yes some windows will not be wfp freindly these do need trad work.
I am not putting trad work down at all I do trad work myself and have been doing it for years, I find wfp over all gives better results in less time.

Hope that answers your question 



I give my opinion, your way works for you thats fine.