[elite mike]

So very often Shell, you will see posts go off topic, its nothing new and most of us are used to it, sometimes when it does go off topic its more interesting than the original post

lol there jeff

hows the new suite & carpet   

[jeff1]

So very often Shell, you will see posts go off topic, its nothing new and most of us are used to it, sometimes when it does go off topic its more interesting than the original post

lol there jeff

hows the new suite & carpet   

Hi Mike 
I'm Still waiting for them   :
They said 10-14 day's, with luck it should be this week

[Clive McDonald]

Lets try going off topic and see if that gets a better reaction.

I took up running at over forty and wasn't very good. In a field of 500 i might come 280 eth. The fastest I could ever run was about 7.5 min/mile but very often nearer 9min/mile.
In races I used to sprint the last half mile, overtaking a few at the end.Then I noticed letters in running magazines and comments from women. Apparently I wasn't the only man who did this and it's quite an aggresive/competitive (but pointless) thing that men do.

Women only races are very popular for this very reason(amongst others)with millions taking part in the race for life.

In a way this forum is a bit that way, and so are our attitudes to our work. We are competitive and chauvanistic and it comes so naturally to us that we don't even know that we are doing it.

[Clive McDonald]

I'm glad I was able to make that clear

[jeff1]

Lets try going off topic and see if that gets a better reaction.

I took up running at over forty and wasn't very good. In a field of 500 i might come 280 eth. The fastest I could ever run was about 7.5 min/mile but very often nearer 9min/mile.
In races I used to sprint the last half mile, overtaking a few at the end.Then I noticed letters in running magazines and comments from women. Apparently I wasn't the only man who did this and it's quite an aggresive/competitive (but pointless) thing that men do.

Women only races are very popular for this very reason(amongst others)with millions taking part in the race for life.

In a way this forum is a bit that way, and so are our attitudes to our work. We are competitive and chauvanistic and it comes so naturally to us that we don't even know that we are doing it.

I think I understood it 

I see what your getting at Clive, you gave it your best shot, you tried, you competed, but you continued to the end and so on?

If you wanted to be really competitive you could have tried harder to get higher than you did, but Hey who cares the most important thing is, you gave it your best shot and probably enjoyed the journey along the way?

Exactly the same in business, we start we canvas (or whatever) we learn as we go along to become competitive, we think we can never be up there with the larger companies, WRONG! If you want to get there you have to try harder, you may not become number one but you can get within the top if you wanted to,

Is there anything stopping you get to the top?  NO, its only our own attitudes to our work and life style's that decides how high we want to go, it will take time the same as training to run, the harder you work the better you can become.
I did all my training and competitions along the way and I got to were I wanted to be.

You are so right about us being competitive and chauvinistic without even realising it, one other thing you should have mentioned, how many of us have been sat in the pub having a beer with our friends and chatting away??
Next time your in a group of people, sit and study them, just watch how many of us try to revert the conversation and topic's back to talking about our self's, Its our favorite subject, we talk about our self's without even realising it.
The human race is a strange breed.

[windowwashers]

Lets try going off topic and see if that gets a better reaction.

I took up running at over forty and wasn't very good. In a field of 500 i might come 280 eth. The fastest I could ever run was about 7.5 min/mile but very often nearer 9min/mile.
In races I used to sprint the last half mile, overtaking a few at the end.Then I noticed letters in running magazines and comments from women. Apparently I wasn't the only man who did this and it's quite an aggresive/competitive (but pointless) thing that men do.

Women only races are very popular for this very reason(amongst others)with millions taking part in the race for life.

In a way this forum is a bit that way, and so are our attitudes to our work. We are competitive and chauvanistic and it comes so naturally to us that we don't even know that we are doing it.

Exactly the same in business, we start we canvas (or whatever) we learn as we go along to become competitive, we think we can never be up there with the larger companies, WRONG! If you want to get there you have to try harder.
Is there anything stopping you get to the top?  NO, its only our own attitudes to our work and life style's that decides how high we want to go, it will take time the same as training to run, the harder you work the better you can become.
I did all my training and competitions along the way and I got to were I wanted to be.

You are so right about us being competitive and chauvinistic without even realising it, one other thing you should have mentioned, how many of us have been sat in the pub having a beer with our friends and chatting away??
Next time your in a group of people, sit and study them, just watch how many of us try to revert the conversation and topic's back to talking about our self's, Its our favorite subject, we talk about our self's without even realising it.
The human race is a strange breed.

I enjoyed reading that post,.
I talk alot to myself so I am a little odd but Ido get some really positive feedback 

[Clive McDonald]

I always wanted to run, winning didn't matter, i didn't expect to become a champion.But there is a difference between us and women.

Maybe if there was another female wfp operator she could post on this and give Shell some good advice. The only ones i've seen on here (trad) didn't last long.

Maybe they didn't have a van or think things through?

[jeff1]

You and your Vans Clive 

Shell is getting a van and for 3 reasons? 1. Easier than a trailer, 2. Image, 3, because she wanted one.
Shell is one for image, the bossy thing even made us change all our uniforms so that they had large lettering on the reverse saying window cleaner.

Lets see how Shell has and will  take over and run the company.
She has worked on & off with myself and the boss for over 10 years and is a very experienced Trad worker including poling, she knows every single customer we have and that's over 300 of them, she can competently price a property no matter what shape or size.

she's competent at dealing with the customers including the nice ones and the fussy ones and can walk away leaving them happy.

She has sat with us drinking coffee with a prince & princess and at the other end of the scale, sat with us drinking Tea with gypsy's, she conducted herself in a manner that left all customers happy, So no matter the customer type, Shell has and can deal with them all.

Come September when its all hers, she will have my continued backing, for space reasons I will continue to produce and store her water, although she has already learnt about RO- systems including all the filters and DI, she maintains her own poles and can conduct running repairs, She Tests & loads the trailer with water each morning and makes sure the batteries are loaded and unloaded and re-charged at the end of the day.
She's now competent at using the trailer/van System and also her backpack system. 

She has the personal backing of 2 retail managers and there knowledge is excellent and  Just in case she ever needs them, her in-laws are Solicitors also her Mum who used to be an accountant.

She has no wish to expand or employ at present and if she needs help at work, she can call on myself or any one, or both of her sisters,who are both experienced Trad w/c's

Over the past 8 weeks she has also taken over the Organisation of all the work, she now does all the records including all the books for the dreaded taxman (thank God ) Phew!

So after all the above ,if anyone including a woman thinks Michelle needs any tips or help for running a long standing and successful business? Please let her know, she doesn't pretend to know it all because non of us can claim that, but there are quite a few of us on here, who can claim the successful running of a long term business.

[Clive McDonald]

That was excellent and I apologise for making you type it all. Yes, i'm pretty sure that she will be a success (not that my opinion matters). Your description covered every eventuality I could think of.

The reasons you gave for obtaining a van were also exellent.

Yes, i'm dogmatic about vans, and hot water, and electric reels. But in this instance i believe it is only the van that matters.And at some point further down the line prepare to be pleasantly surprised about the van.

As for bossyness well i think it's great that she has a real passion for the family business and has the confidence to implement decisions even when they might not be the same as yours.

The best thing to do is make lots of money, then everyone is happy.

[jeff1]

Don't apologise Clive, you know I value your opinion

Shell has only one agreement with me and that's is if she doesn't like the Job then the business gets handed back to me.

She's even getting organised for Christmas I couldn't believe it when she place an order with the Boss yesterday to make all the customers Christmas cards I questioned it and got a blunt reply So I'm letting her get on with it.

She also managed to secure a deal with a friend of hers for company Mugs for the best custy's with our company details and logo on, there supposed to be £7 each and she secured a deal for £3 each, I taught her well Clive 
She also has the 3 strikes and your out policy and is able to bite her tongue well.

Out of my 3 daughters,  Shell is the right one to take over the business and I wish her a long and happy success with it.

As for the Van Clive there will be no pleasant supprises for me, I still don't like Vans

[MissyShell]

Don't apologise Clive, you know I value your opinion

Shell has only one agreement with me and that's is if she doesn't like the Job then the business gets handed back to me.

She's even getting organised for Christmas I couldn't believe it when she place an order with the Boss yesterday to make all the customers Christmas cards I questioned it and got a blunt reply So I'm letting her get on with it.

She also managed to secure a deal with a friend of hers for company Mugs for the best custy's with our company details and logo on, there supposed to be £7 each and she secured a deal for £3 each, I taught her well Clive 
She also has the 3 strikes and your out policy and is able to bite her tongue well.

Out of my 3 daughters,  Shell is the right one to take over the business and I wish her a long and happy success with it.

As for the Van Clive there will be no pleasant supprises for me, I still don't like Vans

Careful dad theres chances my head could get very big from that top glowing report of me I learnt from the best and hope I make you proud.
All my love your ever loving daughter
Michelle x x

[jeff1]

Don't apologise Clive, you know I value your opinion

Shell has only one agreement with me and that's is if she doesn't like the Job then the business gets handed back to me.

She's even getting organised for Christmas I couldn't believe it when she place an order with the Boss yesterday to make all the customers Christmas cards I questioned it and got a blunt reply So I'm letting her get on with it.

She also managed to secure a deal with a friend of hers for company Mugs for the best custy's with our company details and logo on, there supposed to be £7 each and she secured a deal for £3 each, I taught her well Clive 
She also has the 3 strikes and your out policy and is able to bite her tongue well.

Out of my 3 daughters,  Shell is the right one to take over the business and I wish her a long and happy success with it.

As for the Van Clive there will be no pleasant supprises for me, I still don't like Vans

Careful dad theres chances my head could get very big from that top glowing report of me I learnt from the best and hope I make you proud.
All my love your ever loving daughter
Michelle x x

That sounds like a letter from far away  your not leaving your old Dad are you
You know I only speak the truth, I say what I have to and you know, I give credit where credit is due.
You know how proud of you I am 
Now shut up and I'll see you tomorrow 

[MissyShell]

Don't apologise Clive, you know I value your opinion

Shell has only one agreement with me and that's is if she doesn't like the Job then the business gets handed back to me.

She's even getting organised for Christmas I couldn't believe it when she place an order with the Boss yesterday to make all the customers Christmas cards I questioned it and got a blunt reply So I'm letting her get on with it.

She also managed to secure a deal with a friend of hers for company Mugs for the best custy's with our company details and logo on, there supposed to be £7 each and she secured a deal for £3 each, I taught her well Clive 
She also has the 3 strikes and your out policy and is able to bite her tongue well.

Out of my 3 daughters,  Shell is the right one to take over the business and I wish her a long and happy success with it.

As for the Van Clive there will be no pleasant supprises for me, I still don't like Vans

Careful dad theres chances my head could get very big from that top glowing report of me I learnt from the best and hope I make you proud.
All my love your ever loving daughter
Michelle x x

That sounds like a letter from far away  your not leaving your old Dad are you
You know I only speak the truth, I say what I have to and you know, I give credit where credit is due.
You know how proud of you I am 
Now shut up and I'll see you tomorrow 

You cant get rid of me that easy!!!