[ianharper]

Dave

why not use dry fusion on jobs that the customer wants protection? this way you dont have to charge any more.

if you think about protection should come as standard servive

this would be a great USP.

Respectfully

Ian Harper

[Mike Roper]

I dont really push protecting after clean. I protect carpets for 2 retailers , where people are more likely to pay on new carpets.
Mike

[matt jones]

ok pete fair enough you would make a small profit on a job of that size but if it was for just a lounge carpet then surely you wouldn't make any money out of it charging only 50%?
matt

[lands]

Minimum charge mate, would make even more.

Pete

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

A flourocarbon protector works by coating the carpet fibres with a thin film , which is both oil resistant and also alters the surface tension so that water based spillages do not wet out and can be soaked up.

In practice it is difficult to get the polymer particles to form a good film , and this is one reason why solvent based protectors are better,  as the poymer can be dissolved rather than suspended and will therefore form a better film on evaporation of the solvent.

Solvent based protectors would be too expensive and have too many H&S problems to be generally used on carpets.

The water based flourocarbons will be small particles of flourocarbon suspended in an emulsion. The chemists who developed them will have tested the optimum pH for film formation and this would appear to be about 6, hence the need to use an acid rinse/prespray.

It's worth bearing in mind that if you clean with a lower pH solution then this will be easier to neutralise, remember pH is logarithmic so aPh 10 is ten times more alkaline than pH 9.

As for putting the protector in the solution tank, the biggest draw back is that you would remove most of your expensive protector and put it down the drain.

Cheers

Doug

[Fresh Clean]

the bonnet method; catalyst "craftex" has a built in protector, pre-spray with the product work in with the b/pad, cleans as well as protecting. the cfr method; shut out assit stain blocker, intank enables you to clean the carpet as well as putting a protective coating onto each fibre in one foul swoop. fresh person!   

[Andy Foster]

Thanks Fresh.

I thought as much about the CFR product.
I might get some then and see how good it is at home, if it is OK then could offer it... nice little earner for no extra work!

Also, a Mony Python fan I see... good choice.

Andy

[Fresh Clean]

you'd have to be a real train spotter to have spotted that andy! shut out works very well, used it now & then no prob's, in fact i'll be using it this tues, custy want stairs & lounge cleaned plus stain protection blocker.    "the life of freshi"

[calmore]

I use fluroseal too. It actually works really well!

I normall tack it on the end of a quote as an "optional extra". It seems that those customers that have had it before need no convincing and request it again.

The problem is those customers that have never had their carpets protected. It's very difficult to convince a customer to protect their carpet when you clean it and remove all the stains! The attitude is generally: "It cleans up fine, why do I need protector?"

Splash and dash operators will often dilute protector before they apply it. the more unscrupulous ones will merely apply water.

It's not surprising that some custys are hard to convince when they get charged ££££s for tap water "protector" and still end up with stains on their carpets.