y'know dave i agree with you on that one,i belong to a fair few fb groups although hardly look at them as it is full of tossers,how much for this house look at what i did today etc,too much willy waving and jostling for position,that being said fb has many secret groups that make it very intresting and informative and worthwhile being on fb,as for ciu-don't like the new layout but its my choice as to whether i log on or not