[Peter Fogwill]

Give me another week, I am just waiting on a batch of brushes coming in.  If you check on my website, I will put it on when I am doing it, I am not allowed I supposed to broadcast such things here.

Peter

[chopsie]

ok peter i will keep looking. thanks

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

I use fan jets all the time,I take it half of you guys are novices,it's all down to control.
I used pencil jets and are great on windows that sheet but ARE really crap on windows that bead,l I think fans are far better in my opinion.
THEY ARE ONLY LESS ACCURSATE IF THE OPERATOR IS AND HAVE OVERSPRAY IF THE OPERATOR IS CLUMSY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I personally think the previous post is NONSENCE :

I've been wfp coming up 3 & 1/2 years, I use a tap in the hand and turn off between windows.  What I don't like about fans is the extra time they take as you need to be more accurate because of overspray.  A pencil hits the window exactly where you want it to but a fan is a bit more like a smudge.

I prefer windows that bead, they take me the same amount of time as windows that sheet, but I know on windy days I'm safe.  It's very interesting that the original poster put his little experiment up which helps to prove the point.  Not saying that they are useless, or that people that use them are idiots, but I feel they add more time to the job.

I have 3 monthly work that beads terribly and yet it comes up perfect with needle jets.  Why not carry out an experiment on some hydrophobic windows, cleaning them with pencil jets at the same speed as you would with fans and see if it makes a difference.

I think it has more to do with confidence in the tools than anything else, you might feel that your not rinsing properly with pencils, but the results prove different.

Simon.

[Peter Fogwill]

I've been wfp coming up 3 & 1/2 years, I use a tap in the hand and turn off between windows.  What I don't like about fans is the extra time they take as you need to be more accurate because of overspray.  A pencil hits the window exactly where you want it to but a fan is a bit more like a smudge.

The fan is just as accurate, wherever the brush goes the water goes, and no lifting the brush to aim the water spray, to get right up to the edge of the frame.  If the brush is there, then the water is there.

I think it has more to do with confidence in the tools than anything else, you might feel that your not rinsing properly with pencils, but the results prove different.
Simon.

Apart from the problems that can occur explained in my last post, we also have technique to deal with here.  If people are going to waste effort and time lifting the brush off the glass to rinse a window, when it is really not needed then yes, there could be over-spray problems, and problems with the water not going where you want it to go, especially in windy conditions.

Peter

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

So what your saying is that for fan jets to work properly they need to be used brush on.  I'm happy using both methods rinse brush on and off, must admit to doing more brush on now days.  However I think most guys are probably still rinsing brush off.  I'm not saying fan jets are a no no, just like more things they have pro's and cons.  For me I've thought about going back to them but just don't fancy it as the jets I'm using are working great.

Simon.

[Peter Fogwill]

Not necessarily, I could clean a window with fan jets and then lift the brush off the window without causing and problem.  I wouldn't though unless there was something that may stick to the brush and I wanted to get it off the glass.

Peter

[Smudger]

just adding my 2 penneth in here...

I changed over to fan jets just over 4 weeks ago,  and i have to say i will not be going back to pencil jets, i am using the blue ( 40 deg arc of spray ) fans in a superlite dual trim mono and there is no overspay at all even ( sorry Pete ) when lifting away an inch of so to rinse ( old habits ya know ) it has taken some practice to find the best method of really cleaning quickly but they do outperform pencils jets in most cases

basically my technique is wash over the window ( usually bottom to top )  zip around the frame then bring the brush to the top edge of the glass and move left to right 2/3 times this produces a great curtain of water and on small windows its job done - larger windows i chase down with a couple of sweeps - this works for me 

i have found you need to think about wind conditions more - as you can get 'blow back' onto windows already cleaned or a nice refreshing spray in your face  :

other than a small pump issue ( seems to lack pressure at times - got to look inot weather it needs replacing or requires a new diapham ) the change over is for the better

Darran

[Johnny Harrison]

I think the 'Fan vs Jet' debate could go on for a long time.  I changed back over to the pencil jets this week, and cought back up with the customers from last week.

Like a nervous idiot, when I went to collect, I was giving every window the once over and glad to report that there are no marks.  After doing further investigation on this, I'm convinced that it isn't the technique, nor is it the brush head - it is the water pressure.  If I crank the pump pressure upto 100psi, then there are no marks with the fan jets, if I crank it down to 25 (average for houses) then the marks are like a map of the world - this in my personal opinion is terrible after sales etc.

I agree with Peter, that the profitablity on a brush head with jet sprays rather than pencil sprays is higher by some 18% (esc. VAT) - so its in the merchants best interest to sell you a head with jet sprays!!

Johnny