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Johnny Harrison

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Fan jets are causing me a problem
« on: May 15, 2010, 09:13:19 am »
Switched over from pencil jets to fan jets - with a hi / lo Vikan brush head.  I have done over 100nr customers this week and everyone has marks.  I have been cleaning the houses for several months with wfp.

Did an experiment last night on my conservatory - half with fan jets and half with pencil jets - no marks with the pencil jets - hundreds of bead marks with the fan jets.  I clean them the same, and my house (since it was built and purchased by me) has only been cleaned with wfp!

Whats the crack with that - cos I don't want to loose customers - and I don't want to blade them off after clean, as it's defeating the object !!!! - HELP?

Window Washers

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2010, 09:18:24 am »
over spray maybe ?, I would just ditch the fans and use pencil jets, fans IMHO are messy
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

Johnny Harrison

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2010, 09:20:40 am »
Thanks for that - but everyone in the area are switching over the fan jets - I'm not wanting to follow the sheep - however I assumed that they gave a better clean to the whole of the window - and the bloody thing cost me over £35.00 - which is no snip for a brush head !

Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2010, 09:44:50 am »
I tried fan jets about 4 years ago and swapped back within the day. They seem to spray too much esp if you rinse OFF the glass. Try them while rinsing ON the glass and see if the result is different.

You should be able to fit pencil jets to the brush for a cost of a few £'s.

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2010, 09:46:56 am »
I don't get on with fan jets either. Bad results & wet feet,...

Blue Frog Systems

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2010, 09:51:45 am »
I don't get on with fans either. Though they work really well for me on fascias and conny roofs.
Only those who risk going too far will truly know how far they can actually go

Johnny Harrison

  • Posts: 16
Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 10:56:01 am »
Its the principle of the thing - I'm going to change the jets over - as I really don't want to loose customers and its bloody shameful when you go back for the money and there's marks all over !

Mike 108

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 02:55:18 pm »
You need to alter your technique when using 'fan jets'.

I also think that you need to have a 'trigger control'  - so that water is only being sprayed when you want it to be.

Rinsing with 'brush off' is a 'NO-NO'.

By keeping the brush IN CONTACT with the frame, the water spray is contained within the limits of the brushes outer bristles and there will be no 'overspray'

By positioning the brush in/on the corner of the frame and using a 'trigger' it is possible to direct a powerful spray (contained within the limit of the bristles) right into the corner of the glazing - which will remove any build-up of grease/grime.

Mike

dmlservices

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2010, 06:41:05 pm »
if you had no problems with pencil jets why change , i dont like fans either .


daz

Johnny Harrison

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 10:52:00 pm »
As I stated above - I changed as alot of the local window cleaners, using the wfp set up were using the fan jet heads - I needed a new brush head, so I ordered one.

I'm going to revert back to the pencil jets as then my head won't be in my mouth when I go and collect etc.

Johnny

Mike 108

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 11:39:20 pm »
You must have a big mouth   ;D   (Read your last post)   ;D

Tom White

Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 11:45:39 pm »
You must have a big mouth   ;D   (Read your last post)   ;D

I think he's confused between his 'head' and his 'heart', which is nothing.  Sometimes I get confused between my arse and my elbow.

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2010, 12:03:29 am »
2 reasons why I feel fans are not as good as pencil or needle jets.

1 overspray. They are less accurate, they give the window a good soaking but also the vents and other parts of the frame you might not clean.

2 weight of water. The fans spread the water so that it stick to the window, good for wetting not for rinsing. Sometimes large particals of dirt will remain on the window because the fans have blasted it up not down. Pencils dump all ther water in one place, the weight of the water means that the dirt will only go one way, down. In other words fans will push the dirt up and down the window, pencils if used properly will push dirt down.  I think fans require more rinsing as well to try and overcome this effect, unfortunatly the extra rinsing means you might fall victim to overspray.

Just my thoughts on the matter as having used both. I now use the fans to clean my car.

Simon.   

Slash

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010, 08:52:18 am »
I use fan jets all the time,I take it half of you guys are novices,it's all down to control.
I used pencil jets and are great on windows that sheet but ARE really crap on windows that bead,l I think fans are far better in my opinion.
THEY ARE ONLY LESS ACCURSATE IF THE OPERATOR IS AND HAVE OVERSPRAY IF THE OPERATOR IS CLUMSY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I personally think the previous post is NONSENCE ::)

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2010, 09:19:03 am »
I use fan jets all the time,I take it half of you guys are novices,it's all down to control.
I used pencil jets and are great on windows that sheet but ARE really crap on windows that bead,l I think fans are far better in my opinion.
THEY ARE ONLY LESS ACCURSATE IF THE OPERATOR IS AND HAVE OVERSPRAY IF THE OPERATOR IS CLUMSY!!!!!!!!!!!!

...


+1

I also have a tap on my belt which I can turn down and get my fans to give me pencils when rinsing a corner of a pane which the brush isn't straight on to, or when I want to lightly run along just beneath the top seal.
It's a game of three halves!

Johnny Harrison

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2010, 08:31:43 pm »
ha - Heart in mouth not head - thanks for the replies - I've been doing this job for a long time and I don't think it's about technique etc.

I asked another cleaner to come with me and clean a window that had beaded - he was as old as the hills and his technique has allowed him to gain a good business with a lot of customers - anyway - fan jets from both brushes caused beads - the customer kept popping out and bringing us cups of tea as we were there for over an hour - it was like a science lesson!

Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2010, 10:04:04 pm »
+2
Fans equal speed equal higher rate.= given high flow and a hot system..To hit the magic ton(2man) you have to know what your doing.

Stick with pencils till you take the L plates off.

chopsie

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2010, 10:13:16 pm »
the magic ton....2 man  ???
chopsie

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2010, 10:56:14 pm »
Switched over from pencil jets to fan jets - with a hi / lo Vikan brush head.  I have done over 100nr customers this week and everyone has marks.  I have been cleaning the houses for several months with wfp.

Did an experiment last night on my conservatory - half with fan jets and half with pencil jets - no marks with the pencil jets - hundreds of bead marks with the fan jets.  I clean them the same, and my house (since it was built and purchased by me) has only been cleaned with wfp!

Whats the crack with that - cos I don't want to loose customers - and I don't want to blade them off after clean, as it's defeating the object !!!! - HELP?

What you will probably find is the fan spray is getting into parts your pencil jets never reached, and this is causing the spotting.  Doesn't mean the fan jets are not as good but the very opposite.  After a couple of cleans with the fans the windows will be spot free again.  If this is not the reason then it could be badly designed and made fan jets, and or, the brush may not be up to the job.  All brushes are not equal.

I was trying to save myself time getting involved with another fan verses pencil debate, as I have been involved in a few different ones in the last couple of weeks.  I was hoping that someone would suss it out and save me the trouble, as it does get a bit boring after a while going over the same ground.  It is interesting to see how these debates go though, how it swings from anti fans, to pro fans.

There is only one type of jet and that is a fan, anything else is a waste of time as far as I am concerned.  The reason fan jets are as widely used is the fact that they are much easier to make, which in turn makes them much cheaper to produce.  People making these brushes up give you fan jets not because you want them, but because there is more profit in it for them, or they don't know any better.   Imagine a new brush supplier comes on the scene he will either be a window cleaners using a certain brush at the time, or a manufacturer of brushes.  The window cleaner will more or likely have a brush with pencil jets because that is what he used, because he was supplied with them in his brush, when he first started off .  The manufacturer will get a hold of a couple of brushes to copy, and there is a good chance they would have pencil jets in them.  So if I new brush came on the market then there is more chance of it having pencil jets, again not because they are better.  Now go back 6 years and think who has brought out a new window cleaning brush, and above is why it has pencil jets.  Now if you try and change over to fan jets there is a good chance you will come across some problems, like the one I have explained in the first paragraph, or some other problem, and again not because they are not as good.

You want them, because the suppliers want to sell you them, in much the same way everyone in a certain area is eating and drinking certain things, because their local supermarket has certain offers on at the time.

Peter

chopsie

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Re: Fan jets are causing me a problem
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2010, 11:02:59 pm »
any news on that money back trial period on your auto brush peter?
chopsie