Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: shammy davis jnr on April 12, 2010, 05:25:59 pm
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what is it that makes a window cleaner any diffrent from any other line of work ,i mean if you are a dedcent employer like my self ,if staff need disclosed for any job i will do it if they dont turn out to be ok they dont do that job ,end off so why do councils insist in charging for licences ,police state our what ,,,,,,i mean here i will paint them a pic a house with joiner fitting kitchen ,roofer on roof gardener in garden painter painting ,sky man putting up sky gas man fitting gas ,the list goes on till it comes to poor old window cleaner prob on fraction off other trades money and hes the only one to get charged for a licence to work is there a case for discrimanation here ??window cleaner vrs any other trade :-X :-X :-X still gets my goat all the time this dick and turpin spring to mind
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and can anyone tell me why this has been made a bye law in anycase for what reason other than council revenue gathering ,as it aint law our our freinds down south would need them to ,so why make it a bye law atall ,suerly if you were unsavery enough to be off a criminal mind you would not do this in broad day light with a ladder and sign written van i mean come on ,,,i dont know many cons that go window cleaning with (hmps barrlinnie )on there uniforms and van surley common sence should come into this ,our m,bee its just me this affects in wich case rant over lol
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Said it for year's. A big feckn con. South Lanarkshire has got 4 different areas now, all different rates or one large fee for the whole lot and not a sniff of their fart's for your dosh
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i think its time they dropped this esp after a winter like we have had and in the midst of a resession and they like to help the small biz ok well how come it was on news the other day it costs on average £60,000 pound a year to put some one through a methadone program ,what is wrong with this country im sure some young guy out there that aint been in trouble atall in his life could be doing with at least a tenth of that to start a small company up and in turn give back to the commuinity i would rather give my licence money to a local charity ,ie more publicity means more jobs=more tax means more money for methadone for the smack heads surley this would make more sence charity wins i win and mr junkie wins and the council get the taxes win win all round
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The country has its prioritys the wrong way round, if your a decent law abiding person then through no fault of your own fall on hard times, then you have to jump through hoops to get any thing or any help. But if you have been in and out of trouble most of your life, take drugs, and if your a young girl and get pregnant they will fall over themselfs to help you (as they are victoms you see ::) ) Or if you like many of us on here trying to start up on your own then you can go jump as far as any financial help is concerned.
Roll on the election, oh yes like that is going to make a huge differance >:(
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Ur spot on shammy costs me £150 for a license in Aberdeen if i work outside the city in the Shire it's £50, WHY
the difference? Also when were you ever asked to produce it by Police, Local Authority or even a punter. in my case never. How many un licensed WC are out there? I would guess more than have a license and who is checking them? NO ONE. Its another council ripoff
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south lanarkshire are feckin at it the way they split their area up. 4 licences for the one council feck right aff. I gave up taking detials of unlicensed comapnaies in my town and forwarding them on as nothing gets done EVER.
i work 2 hours in bathgate once per week and need a licence for this also. Ye need to travel all the wya thourhg to livingston to apply for it also. Yer not allowed to post it at all.
licence is nothing more than a tax and why do other trades not need it?
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I've lost out twice now on big contracts to a firm working out of Edinburgh, both times i was told the name of the company that won the contract. More than a little peed off at losing to a firm coming all the way from Edinburgh to clean windows in Aberdeen i phoned the council to check that they were licensed to work in the City and of course they weren't so i passed on the companies details but guess what they did nothing. I have now written to the Council and asked them to take action that was 6 weeks ago and as yet they havent even acknowledged my letter
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ok so you need a license to be a window cleaner.
BUT
do you need a license to be a window FRAME cleaner or a gutter cleaner ;D
:)
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Ur spot on shammy costs me £150 for a license in Aberdeen if i work outside the city in the Shire it's £50, WHY
the difference? Also when were you ever asked to produce it by Police, Local Authority or even a punter. in my case never. How many un licensed WC are out there? I would guess more than have a license and who is checking them? NO ONE. Its another council ripoff
Sorry but thats jist nae true min ken?
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Ur spot on shammy costs me £150 for a license in Aberdeen if i work outside the city in the Shire it's £50, WHY
the difference? Also when were you ever asked to produce it by Police, Local Authority or even a punter. in my case never. How many un licensed WC are out there? I would guess more than have a license and who is checking them? NO ONE. Its another council ripoff
Why nae you?
£10 gets a list fae the council........
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I've lost out twice now on big contracts to a firm working out of Edinburgh, both times i was told the name of the company that won the contract. More than a little peed off at losing to a firm coming all the way from Edinburgh to clean windows in Aberdeen i phoned the council to check that they were licensed to work in the City and of course they weren't so i passed on the companies details but guess what they did nothing. I have now written to the Council and asked them to take action that was 6 weeks ago and as yet they havent even acknowledged my letter
Nae use phoning the council phone the police.
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Ur spot on shammy costs me £150 for a license in Aberdeen if i work outside the city in the Shire it's £50, WHY
the difference? Also when were you ever asked to produce it by Police, Local Authority or even a punter. in my case never. How many un licensed WC are out there? I would guess more than have a license and who is checking them? NO ONE. Its another council ripoff
I ken o 2 folk who have been arrested for window cleaning with nae license.
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scotland must be that safe that the police have nothing better to do that arrest wc for working without a license
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scotland must be that safe that the police have nothing better to do that arrest wc for working without a license
Of course, Bonnie Scotland is practically crime free mate. ::)
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I thingk its a good idea because it could get rid of the cow boys trouble is it aint policed well enough ie tougher sentencing instead of the usual slap on the wrist and being told make sure you get one or next time it will be two slaps .
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I thingk its a good idea because it could get rid of the cow boys trouble is it aint policed well enough ie tougher sentencing instead of the usual slap on the wrist and being told make sure you get one or next time it will be two slaps .
I'm with you. ;D
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it isnt just window cleaners covered by this law
the others include wheelie bin cleaners, taxi drivers, street traders, scrap dealers, the list goes on
look up civic act 1982
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Form B whats not true? and if it aint what is it then?
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Form B whats not true? and if it aint what is it then?
My licence for the shire cost me £150 same as yours.
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Well its changed days got a license for the shire Westhill etc 2yrs ago and it cost me £50
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Well its changed days got a license for the shire Westhill etc 2yrs ago and it cost me £50
I think that's for an additional license, I got one for in toon, not sure how much I paid though.
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not being funny but in my opinion theres never been a lack of work England or Scotland .
Generaly the only time details get passed on to the police are when another window cleaner encroaches anothers "work" .
Its not the councils fault they see a market to make money and exploit it! the more window cleaners take the hump at window cleaners "grassing them in " the more justification the councils have to enforce a licenseing system .
Its all bull
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not being funny but in my opinion theres never been a lack of work England or Scotland .
Generaly the only time details get passed on to the police are when another window cleaner encroaches anothers "work" .
Its not the councils fault they see a market to make money and exploit it! the more window cleaners take the hump at window cleaners "grassing them in " the more justification the councils have to enforce a licenseing system .
Its all bull
Fair e nuff.
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it doesn't ge trid of cowboys and never will. it's a tax and f*** all else
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Governments rip us off.
They always will.
I just think we need to play it to our advantage.
If we played it properly we could turn the public pre-conceptions about window cleaners round.
There was a thread on here about some Ricky Gervais' sketch or other where they said window cleaning is not a proper job.
I thought it was pretty funny, but ah well.
Loads of folk on here got all girney and upset about it. Then when it comes to regulating the industry, guess what?
Everyone is still not happy.
Which way do you want it?
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from what im led to belive there are two councils in scotland that still don charge (tax)window cleaning licence as this is merely a bye law and is down to each indiviual council ,but why in 1982 did they decide that window cleaning had to be licenced surley things have moved on from then and if any one can find out the reason why they enforced this in 1982 and the credible reasons if any for this ,
as i said earlier i pay for there employers liability ,public liability so why is this not the cover any other biz needs to trade legit ....
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i personally was set against the license in a big way.....i thought it was just another needless tax to add to the govt/council coffers.......and in some ways it is, however i have seen another side to the issue ( i wont mention the fact thats its law to have one, coz we all know that) the reason why i support the license is that it seperates the legitimate businesses from the others, now i know one or two of our posters on here from parts of scotland may not have a license because they feel justified in not having one for whatever reason ( i am not here to judge) however if you can get round/accept the fact that its law you may be in the position to use it as a tool to further your business interests as you will get work or jobs that insist on you displaying a license on your person ( i have loads of jobs where i wouldnt get in the door without it) so having a license is a huge bonus in securing the higher ended work, like council/public buildings for obvious reasons.......without a license the best work i could hope for is a few wee runs here and there and most of the time i would be looking over my shoulder for the police, council enforcement officers (they do stop folk in glasgow and south lanarkshire) and expect a 2k fine for not having one.....in my opinion its just not worth NOT having one......i can clean any window in my licensed areas knowing that i have every right to be there AND i have the full protection of the police and council that licensed me to cover any disputes with unlicensed window cleaners, which has not really happened thus far, but its good to know its there.
i cant imagine being in the situation of building up a really good business over a few years, maybe leaving my job to start cleaning windows, wanting to experience being my own boss, care for my family etc etc and for it all to be taken off me simply because i failed to trade legally, and this could happen as if i were to be caught trading without a license....the police would not only charge me with a criminal offence the council will take a dim view and i wouldnt be allowed to clean another window anywhere in the council area until i got a license, and with a newly earned criminal conviction the likelyhood of getting a license from the council (or any other council area if i were to try there instead) will be ZERO.....and then the business would fail (might have to sell the run on to someone for a cut price) and i would then have to get a job doing something else (maybe my old job that i left to go cleaning windows for :'()
thats my take on the license.......can of worms anyone? ;D
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tell ye how bad it is when the scottish parliament is cleaned and compnay doing it dont have licence. feckin joke of system it is and also our local police station and job centre. So as for them asking you to display licences the police seem to not give a flying feck TBH. Scottish parliament is anothe rone where you would think a licence would be needed but sadly not. I was told the parliament is cleaned bya large national comapny also.
if i could get away with not having to pay it i would.
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yes im aware feelings run high on this matter and know both sides but why oh why window cleaners i want to know the reason behind i can see the point for a taxi where they are in an enclosed space with joe public for a period of time but why window cleaners what prompted them in the first place is it becase i pay tax liability insurance sign written van ,local part time fire man which i dont need a licence when im up a ladder doing that job ,why us they must have there reasons written down some where i can bet there was not one window cleaner present when this was pushed through ??? so where do u get these answers from?? guys any one our does it end in brick wall
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Anyway you look at it it is discrimination. Unless we all decide to properly and legaly set up a protest group or similar, get the press involved and then plead our case to our local mp, or get a good lawyer on our side (because this just may be very illegal). There is not much we can do.
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I'm in scotland & don't need a licence. Where am I? ;D
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ok so you need a license to be a window cleaner.
BUT
do you need a license to be a window FRAME cleaner or a gutter cleaner ;D
:)
does anyone want to answer my previous question?
they reckon licensing stops the cowboys, the dole cheats, the tax evaders, etc.... WELL, it doesnt.
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ryan i know your right mate but they would do u any how just for being cheeky ,that is how crazy it is mate i know what is the diffrence you dont need a licence for cleaning frames
would be funny if your statment to police was i am not cleaning windows im cleaning frames ,goes to court and you say to the pf that i was cleaning frames of windows ok case dismissed plz send in the window cleaners for sentenceing
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I'm in scotland & don't need a licence. Where am I? ;D
Scottish borders ;)
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I'm in scotland & don't need a licence. Where am I? ;D
Scottish borders ;)
;D ;D ;D
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ryan i know your right mate but they would do u any how just for being cheeky ,that is how crazy it is mate i know what is the diffrence you dont need a licence for cleaning frames
would be funny if your statment to police was i am not cleaning windows im cleaning frames ,goes to court and you say to the pf that i was cleaning frames of windows ok case dismissed plz send in the window cleaners for sentenceing
or .....
"im not a window cleaner. Im a glass cleaner"
;D
there IS loopholes in most laws ;)
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I'm in scotland & don't need a licence. Where am I? ;D
Scottish borders ;)
;D ;D ;D
cheers lads, 20 mins up road from me ;D
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I'm in scotland & don't need a licence. Where am I? ;D
Scottish borders ;)
;D ;D ;D
cheers lads, 20 mins up road from me ;D
Where are you Ryan?
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guessing northumbria
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i had a call from someone in lenzie wanting their windows cleaned on a regular basis, big house worth a lot of cash, i dont have a license for east dunbartonshire so i said that i cant do it.....then i remembered that the neighbouring town of bishopbriggs does not require a license, so i foned doug and he confirmed that the whole of east dumbartonshire is license free, so anyone can set up work in that council area no problem at all.......bit weird that....and the scottish borders too....i am moving to either east dunbartonshire or the scottish borders........might cost me thousands to move house but at least i will save 300 quid on license fees ;D
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I'm in scotland & don't need a licence. Where am I? ;D
Scottish borders ;)
;D ;D ;D
cheers lads, 20 mins up road from me ;D
Where are you Ryan?
cumbria
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i had a call from someone in lenzie wanting their windows cleaned on a regular basis, big house worth a lot of cash, i dont have a license for east dunbartonshire so i said that i cant do it.....then i remembered that the neighbouring town of bishopbriggs does not require a license, so i foned doug and he confirmed that the whole of east dumbartonshire is license free, so anyone can set up work in that council area no problem at all.......bit weird that....and the scottish borders too....i am moving to either east dunbartonshire or the scottish borders........might cost me thousands to move house but at least i will save 300 quid on license fees ;D
yeah East Dunbartonshire is a bit weird, when i researched who licensed and who didn't, it turned out this council had 1 of the weirdest set ups, that you can clean unlicensed anywhere in the county, except in Milngavie and Bearsden where you do need a license, unless that has since changed?
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yes and those 2 areas are where the rich live tam? i wonder if any of the council members live there, ::)
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you must need your shoe protectors on while climbing your ladders in those areas aswell ,hence the new law comming ladder climbing licence but only if window cleaning ;D ;D ;D