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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: poleman on March 23, 2010, 09:03:50 pm
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HATE to be doom and gloom merchant but if the prediction for this summer is to be believed :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3EFmjIuLQ
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belive it when it happens ::) lets hope so tho 8)
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I will have 8000L of water stored and not made via a hose pipe so will use stored water ;D
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tropical
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i take if there is a hosepipe ban we can use any stored water we have, or will they try and ban that as well
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If there is a ban then you might not want to use any stored water for cleaning windows you might get lynched. Let assume the worst and water is rationed, not enough to have a bath or shower, bottled water for your kettle and obviously none for the gardens etc and then the window cleaner turns up and chucks out 50 litres or so to clean the windows...I dont think that would go down to well....regardless of whether the water is stored or not, besides if you did have a large amount stored and if there was a serious shortage it would be worth more money to someone than the price of cleaning a 3 bed semi!
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good point Mike_G :)
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No problem if you have a bore hole though! :)
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What a load of bolloxs!!!!! They said that last year and look what happened, seeing as we have had the worst winter for 30 years where has all the water gone? Last time this was threatened alot of my customers just told me to carry on as i still had to make a living, and they where annoyed with the water companies, and i do PW so use about 800 litres an hour!!!!!
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wont be a problem here in 1976 they put the stand pipes up but we never used them
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WFP will be banned at some point regardless of storage, etc - its a total waste of a resource, to think otherwise is very blinkered
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Another good reason for harvesting rainwater.
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There was a white paper a couple of years ago about this, there's conflict between DEFRA and H&S.
I understand that it will not affect WFP as we alter the state of the water before we use it.
If we just fill our tanks with tap water then that is a different story.
Matt
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oh im scared,ban or not im still going to use it really dont giva to hoots,get the water police on me ::)
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Another good reason for harvesting rainwater.
This can be classed as theft, as the rain does not belong to you ;) you dont really think the water boards will let you do that nor the goverment without taxing you somewhere ::)
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no windows will get washed then as they will be banning use of ladders soon too,looks like there will be some dirty windows because the ladder monkeys will only be allowed to do bungalows!
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oh the doom and gloom ::)
im sure there are people who just like googling
for misery :)
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no windows will get washed then as they will be banning use of ladders soon too
Rubbish!
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Scare mongering again we live in the wettest dreariest country on the planet how the frig can we have shortages of water have you seen it outside its bouncing down.and no they can't touch you if you harvest water so balls to that 1 to.
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Scare mongering again we live in the wettest dreariest country on the planet how the frig can we have shortages of water have you seen it outside its bouncing down.and no they can't touch you if you harvest water so balls to that 1 to.
I am afraid they can, any water collected in gullies and gutters becomes the property of the waterboard. FACT!
Whether they will enforce charges to the use of rain water collected from guttering and gullies we will see.
Matt
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When the reservoir levels diminish, they then begin drawing off of local rivers. I think there is a limited time period for them to do this though.
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I don't think this summer will be that warm to be honest.
The met office has stopped long range forecasts because they cannot predict it.
Matt
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No problem if you have a bore hole though! :)
Guess what i got ;)
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so let me get this right the gutters on the house i own belong to the councils?i dont think so and if they do they can come and bloody well clean them them lol
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I did not say that did I?
I said that once the rain water hits the guttering or gullies then it becomes the property of the water board.
rain water that hits the road doesn't belong to the water board until it flows into a drain.
I know this to be true as my neighbour works for Anglian Water!
Guttering is only there to protect the property from water damage!
Matt
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lets set this straight!
1st I doubt very much that we will be having a scorching summer like 2003!
The Met Office have stopped giving long range forecast as they unpredictable!
2nd WFP will NOT be banned if they implement a hosepipe ban!
This is because we alter the state of the water before we use it!
Right everyone got that?
Maybe if people stopped putting posts up here without reading some facts from the appropriate websites, we won't have the scare mongering.
There's a lot of guys on here that have only been set up 12 months or less, and scare mongering like this could make them quit the industry!
Matt
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Surely we start using it the second it comes out the tap, as part of a process. if we didn't, nothing would get purified.
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matt that is exactly the point i was trying to make i was in no way getting at you at all
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Ian I wasnt having a go at you mate, just some others thinking or stating WFP will be banned.
there was a big meeting in London a few years ago with regards to WFP and hosepipe ban, solicitors, DEFRA, H&SE, FWC and loads of window cleaners were present,
Defra wanted to ban WFP's during a hosepipe ban, because they said that we could "use bucket and sponge" just goes to show how ignorant they are to the industry, how many of us use a bucket and sponge, even using traditional method we don't use a bloody sponge!
H&S were saying that we should be using a safer alternative to ladders.
Matt
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Surely we start using it the second it comes out the tap, as part of a process. if we didn't, nothing would get purified.
We use pure water to clean windows, we alter the state of the water before it reaches the holding tank, whether it be an IBC tank or the tanks in the van.
otherwise drinks companies will stop making drinks, kitchens would close because they cannot clean the plates etc, car valeters ARE included in the hosepipe ban as they use tap water to pre-wet and rinse.
Matt
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lets set this straight!
1st I doubt very much that we will be having a scorching summer like 2003!
The Met Office have stopped giving long range forecast as they unpredictable!
2nd WFP will NOT be banned if they implement a hosepipe ban!
This is because we alter the state of the water before we use it!
Right everyone got that?
Maybe if people stopped putting posts up here without reading some facts from the appropriate websites, we won't have the scare mongering.
There's a lot of guys on here that have only been set up 12 months or less, and scare mongering like this could make them quit the industry!
Matt
I do get the impression that there is quite a few on here with the intention of getting people to quit, & also hope to see others never start up at all!
It is usually anti trad WFP`s, or anti WFP tradders behind these comments!
I would love to know how many window cleaners there are nationally, & how many of which are members on here, just to put their "putting people off" into perspective. ::)
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lets set this straight!
1st I doubt very much that we will be having a scorching summer like 2003!
The Met Office have stopped giving long range forecast as they unpredictable!
2nd WFP will NOT be banned if they implement a hosepipe ban!
This is because we alter the state of the water before we use it!
Right everyone got that?
Maybe if people stopped putting posts up here without reading some facts from the appropriate websites, we won't have the scare mongering.
There's a lot of guys on here that have only been set up 12 months or less, and scare mongering like this could make them quit the industry!
Matt
well said matt!
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Ian I was just commenting on this thread and this forum.
over the past 12 months there has been a lot of guys on here either starting up or moved over from Trad to WFP.
There will be a few guys on here that will be confused, as they are being told ladders are banned! and then we get a post like this saying WFP will be banned in a hosepipe ban.
I trad some windows and WFP others. WFP has its place and so does Tradional methods. I am not anti Trad or anti WFP.
Plus I have noticed a few guys on here that are anti-newbies to the industry.
WHY? after all, we were once new to window cleaning.
Matt
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lets set this straight!
1st I doubt very much that we will be having a scorching summer like 2003!
The Met Office have stopped giving long range forecast as they unpredictable!
2nd WFP will NOT be banned if they implement a hosepipe ban!
This is because we alter the state of the water before we use it!
Right everyone got that?
Maybe if people stopped putting posts up here without reading some facts from the appropriate websites, we won't have the scare mongering.
There's a lot of guys on here that have only been set up 12 months or less, and scare mongering like this could make them quit the industry!
Matt
I do get the impression that there is quite a few on here with the intention of getting people to quit, & also hope to see others never start up at all!
It is usually anti trad WFP`s, or anti WFP tradders behind these comments!
I would love to know how many window cleaners there are nationally, & how many of which are members on here, just to put their "putting people off" into perspective. ::)
I agree with you Ian
Matt
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UK, hot summer? Have I misread this? ;D
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LOL @ Cozy
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There's a lot of guys on here that have only been set up 12 months or less, and scare mongering like this could make them quit the industry!
this was me in 2006, just set-up wfp trolley system.
we had the driest winter 05 and summer 06.
in the end i spoke to steve lowe fwc (as i was a member back then)
pretty much what you said matt.
It is intresting it's always the little people that get lynched!
coca cola waste thousands or is it millions of litres of water when producing there drinks no-one picks on them.
I belive paint manufacturers waste alot of water too.
When is it a good time to be a window cleaner?
this wfp ban appears every year without fail ::)
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Ian I was just commenting on this thread and this forum.
over the past 12 months there has been a lot of guys on here either starting up or moved over from Trad to WFP.
There will be a few guys on here that will be confused, as they are being told ladders are banned! and then we get a post like this saying WFP will be banned in a hosepipe ban.
I trad some windows and WFP others. WFP has its place and so does Tradional methods. I am not anti Trad or anti WFP.
Plus I have noticed a few guys on here that are anti-newbies to the industry.
WHY? after all, we were once new to window cleaning.
Matt
Hi Matt,
I agree with pretty much all that you say on all of your posts, & you have a great logic on these things! :)
I am going to have to learn to word things better because I keep typing posts, & then realise they can be taken either of 2 ways, lol.
I have asked on a few occasions for people that state that such & such is going to be banned to provide full facts, but more often than not, it is an attempt to put others off of window cleaning, or they are quoting from a gossip post made ages ago ::)
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Surely the point is, if there is a major drought, and thats highly unlikely then using wfp to clean windows when you might not be able to flush your bog more than once a day would not be a good idea regardless of where you get your water from.
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you cant stop someone using water if they require it to make a living!
i would have thoughts "starbucks" with there taps on constant day and night arnt really bothered or the car wash services
i think its different if you need it to make a living out of it! maybe a limit at the most?
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you cant stop someone using water if they require it to make a living!
i would have thoughts "starbucks" with there taps on constant day and night arnt really bothered or the car wash services
i think its different if you need it to make a living out of it! maybe a limit at the most?
Lol,
I can just see the reception you would get from residents at your locally supplied emergency bowser, when you are filling up with gallons of water for work, & they want enough to boil a kettle. ;D
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coca cola waste thousands or is it millions of litres of water when producing there drinks no-one picks on them.
I can never quite understand that arguement, what would those people drink if they didnt drink coca-cola?
Beer ;D ;D
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year, what else could they possibly drink if they didnt waste billions of tons of water, to make "cola cola"?
he's got a point you know!
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you cant stop someone using water if they require it to make a living!
i would have thoughts "starbucks" with there taps on constant day and night arnt really bothered or the car wash services
i think its different if you need it to make a living out of it! maybe a limit at the most?
i agree i was making shampoo one hot summer for a well known brand and a hosepipe ban was introduced we carried on useing 1000 glns of water per day with the blessing of the water authority, as the ban never applied to business.
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coca cola waste thousands or is it millions of litres of water when producing there drinks no-one picks on them.
I can never quite understand that arguement, what would those people drink if they didnt drink coca-cola?
Beer ;D ;D
lol it wouldnt be cider after todays budget lol
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We don’t even know what a drought is there is plenty of water here. WE just enjoy a good panic
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I reckon the car wash services would stop pretty quick myself.... The answer to this must be with somebody who worked in 1976 when we last had a shortage so its over to the oldies, what happened then? I know my dad was window cleaning back then and they were not able to even fill up a bucket from any of their jobs during the summer because of the draught, cant remember if he had to take time of work but I got the feeling people didn't consider window cleaning a priority whilst water was being rationed....just had a look at some old news clippings and apparently some parts of the country had no water between 7pm and 8 am now lets imagine ( and its unlikely) that happened again can you honestly say that it would be acceptable to fill up your tank and go off cleaning windows with the water?
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Prof Piers Corbyn from WeatherAction.com says we will definitely not have a scorcher, it will have warm periods like most summers but deffo no droughts.
this is a forecaster who's had prediction sucess of 5/5 to Met office 0/5.
wish i would have bought his forecasts for the winter, he was bang on.
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Prof Piers Corbyn from WeatherAction.com says we will definitely not have a scorcher, it will have warm periods like most summers but deffo no droughts.
this is a forecaster who's had prediction sucess of 5/5 to Met office 0/5.
wish i would have bought his forecasts for the winter, he was bang on.
I think he was on Sky news with sky weatherman francis wilson, lol
he is actually a climatologist. very acurate.
Matt
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if I remember right all them years ago, on the big ban, we were not allowed to clean out cars with hoses on our driveways, but were allowed to take out car to the carwash as this was a business that could effect someones living.
Would be good business for us if the public were not allowed to clean their own windows only weing allowed to use a window cleaner hehehehe ;D ;D ;D
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we will have one dry month as per the norm in the summer
and the rest of the time it will be hissing down on and off
as per normal. ::)
the same girlies who were whinging on here about a bit of
snow(scotland apart) and now looking for drought misery
i guarantee a few months from now will be crying about
the amount of rain we are having ::) ;D
a bunch of cant do!worrying before anything has happened
wont do, doom and gloom merchants.
give up you are never going to make a living with all
the artic weather, rain,hurricanes and tornados knocking all
the buildings down.
weeerrreee doomed!! ::) ::)
bloody well get on with it!! >:( ;D
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I will worry about it when it happens. However, just to clear up one little point that has been mentioned a while back. My first job was working for the local water board and technically all rainwater that falls in their area belongs to them and not the owner of the land. They own every drop of water no matter where it is or how it got there. If you drive water in from another part of the country it becomes "theirs" as soon as it crosses their border. They have absolute control of everything.
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customer... how come you are using water during the ban
me........we have been harvesting it now for some time and also pay business rates on the water.
customer.......is that fair
me........you can do it as well if you pay loads for your water like we do
customer....end of argument.
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Oh my god, it's only march!
I despair...
Just get on with it and enjoy making decent money.
No-one's going to stop you doing it, any more than anybody's going to tell you to get down from your ladder.
IT'S ALL A LOAD OF TALK! Don't be poofs.
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If there was an hose pipe ban they would insist on you have a water meter fitted if not done so allready and then you are paying for what you use so you would be safe.
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EVEN IF THERE WAS A BAN i would be ok!id go back to trad/ladders/trad pole for a bit.some of you would be stuck as you cant trad or use extension poles to a professional standard and at a good pace!!
SHAME ON YOU!!CALL YOURSELF WINDOW CLEANERS!! ::) ::) :P :P
never been a hosppipe ban for years in the north west.you southern softies will have to go on an nvq course to learn trad then!! :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
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EVEN IF THERE WAS A BAN i would be ok!id go back to trad/ladders/trad pole for a bit.some of you would be stuck as you cant trad or use extension poles to a professional standard and at a good pace!!
SHAME ON YOU!!CALL YOURSELF WINDOW CLEANERS!! ::) ::) :P :P
never been a hosppipe ban for years in the north west.you southern softies will have to go on an nvq course to learn trad then!! :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
i can use a squeegee when i need to im not lightening fast
but can move at a reasonable pace.
but if i couldnt i would learn just like evrybody else would
lets face it..its hardly brain surgery ;D
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EVEN IF THERE WAS A BAN i would be ok!id go back to trad/ladders/trad pole for a bit.some of you would be stuck as you cant trad or use extension poles to a professional standard and at a good pace!!
SHAME ON YOU!!CALL YOURSELF WINDOW CLEANERS!! ::) ::) :P :P
never been a hosppipe ban for years in the north west.you southern softies will have to go on an nvq course to learn trad then!! :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm a great trad cleaner. Did it for 10 years with virtually no complaint ever, and I'm fast.
I just choose not to, because it's so much more work!
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cleewindows still banging on about ladder bans, let it go fella it's not gonna happen, ban on wfp is very possible if we get a hosepipe ban.
Won't bother me as my wfp is a tool and will trad along nicely thankyou.
Panic stations polers. :P
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lets set this straight!
1st I doubt very much that we will be having a scorching summer like 2003!
The Met Office have stopped giving long range forecast as they unpredictable!
2nd WFP will NOT be banned if they implement a hosepipe ban!
This is because we alter the state of the water before we use it!
Right everyone got that?
Maybe if people stopped putting posts up here without reading some facts from the appropriate websites, we won't have the scare mongering.
There's a lot of guys on here that have only been set up 12 months or less, and scare mongering like this could make them quit the industry!
Spot on matt
Matt
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DEFRA Proposes Changes to Non-Essential Use of Water Restrictions
[April 2007]
The 2004-2006 drought in South East England served to focus attention on the outdated nature of the 1991 Drought Direction, which sets out the circumstances under which water companies may apply for a drought order, and also the restrictions that they are able to impose.
The consultation document sets out proposed changes to current legislation and aims to gather information from interested parties on the suitability of those changes.
The British Window Cleaning Academy is actively involved in this consultation, and recognizes that the proposed changes may have an impact on the way window cleaners work in drought conditions.
However, it must be emphasized that it is not yet clear how the proposed changes would (if at all) affect window cleaners, as the proposal document does not specifically discuss the cleaning of windows by tradesmen, but only generically (ie the cleaning of windows by the householder)
The definition of window cleaning "using sprinkler, hosepipe or similar apparatus" is also the subject of some dispute, especially as to whether this definition extends to the use of water-fed poles or not.
Pure Water - A Manufactured Product
The proposal document makes clear that any restrictions apply only to water that has not been "used". Although no definition of this term is given, some useful guidance is provided;
"Our proposals apply only to water supplied by water companies under their statutory supply duties. These supply duties are directly linked to quality criteria. The filling of a receptacle by hosepipe from the mains supply, with no intervening use, for a proscribed purpose would be a breach of any restrictions in force. However, once water supplied by a water company has been used then that water is no longer of a kind that was originally supplied"
Section 3.3.3.1 (italics ours)
According to this guidance, restrictions both present and future do not apply to water that is "no longer of a kind that was originally supplied" .It is obvious that once water has passed through the treatment processes which enable it to be used for window cleaning, it too is "no longer of a kind that was originally supplied"
Of course, in order to make use of water for window cleaning with a water-fed pole system, a number of processes are necessary to alter the quality of the water. In fact, the production of pure water for window cleaning is in itself a "use" and in many other industries, purified water is considered a manufactured product, with mains water being simply a raw material. Since water purification is not subject to any restriction, this would be an effective defence if one were needed.
"Hosepipe Ban" to be replaced by "Discretionary Use Ban"
At present, water companies can, at their discretion, impose 'hosepipe bans' in an effort to reduce water consumption by the public. These hosepipe bans are limited in their scope by section 76 of The Water Industry Act 1991.
Put simply, by imposing a hosepipe ban water companies can restrict certain uses of water drawn from their supply network, including washing of private cars, the watering of private gardens etc. Hosepipe bans do not have any impact on window cleaning by method, including the domestic sector. This means, for example, that during a hosepipe ban a householder would not be allowed to wash their car using a hosepipe, but would be allowed to wash their windows
with a hosepipe.
There are several proposed changes to this structure which involve the replacing the 'hosepipe ban' with a more consistent 'discretionary use ban'. Under the proposal this would be much broader in its scope and restrict a wider range of activities than the 'hosepipe ban'.
Section 4.1.4 (v) of the proposal document makes clear that under the new discretionary use ban that, just like the washing of private cars, within the domestic sector window cleaning using a hosepipe will be restricted. By limiting the discretionary use ban to the domestic sector (ie use by householders, not window cleaners) this change would have no impact on the way window cleaners work. This is because window cleaners, whatever type of properties they clean, operate in the commercial, and not the domestic sector.
Cladding Restoration Course Added to BWCA Syllabus
[Feb 2007]
The cleaning of cladding and fascias is a common add-on to a window cleaner's business. So, in February 2007 The BWCA syllabus was widened to include another course.
CCLAD - Cladding and Glass Restoration Using Ambruch Products focuses on restoring and providing a weather resistance coating to:
Anodised Aluminium
Powder Coated Aluminium
Metallic Powder Costed Aluminium
Stainless Steel
Plastisol/uPVC Coverings
For more information on this new course, please contact The BWCA on 0845 22 66 034 or use our info request form
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Near as dam it what I said earlier in the thread.
Amen to that, lets hope that has put it to bed now.
Thanks Steve C
Matt
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so u dont flush the toilet . u pee in the backyard . com on u doom n gloom guys .we live in britain not australia ,after 3 weeks off in the snow .we can manage 3 weeks off in the sun .
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Most office that I have cleaned use bottled water anyway.
If any of your customers ask about the amount of water we use, just reply the water we use isn't fit for human consumtion. which it isn't unless you use food grade resin.
50litres on one house?
on the average 3 bed semi I use 20ltrs maximum.
Matt
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bet i use 50 litres on a house :-[
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;D back to squeegees then ;D ;D one bucket only please ;D o ::)and catch the drips on the applicater ;D
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There wont be a hose-pipe anyway, you need a dry winter for starters. And we havent had that.
A dry winter followed by a heatwave. We might get the heatwave but we all know we didnt get a dry winter.
Pointless.
mate just noticed you in bath.how far out do you cover.and what parts.
email me if you like
rich-frank@hotmail.co.uk
i get a few calls for bath area,
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bet i use 50 litres on a house :-[
thats cause you trow buckets at the house
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;D back to squeegees then ;D ;D one bucket only please ;D o ::)and catch the drips on the applicater ;D
Terry I use to do this on the internal windows lol
;D ;D ;D
Matt
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Matt, if you use 20 litrs to clean a 3 bed house then unless you are lucky and live in a soft water area then the chances are by the time you end up with 20 litres to clean the house it would of chucked 30 down the drain going thru the ro unit.
However i like your comment on we use isn't fit for human consumtion that would shut most people up
But i still wouldn't use wfp if we had a ban but thats my personal choice just because I wouldnt think it would be morally correct to do so...we had floods down here a few years ago and luckily for me I was on holiday and missed the brunt of it but when I returned from holiday we had no water at all, just bowsers on the side off the road and although I had a full tank of water in the van ready for when I got back I didn't even think about using it I felt bad enough cleaning windows using just a bucket it was tough for a week or two but as we always seem to we survived to clean another day
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Mike I use a booster pump and get 70% pure to 30% waste.
I do see your point about being morally correct though.
Depending how bad the weather is, I for one wont be going back up the ladders.
plus I am sure that doing so would be breaking H&S due to the fact we have the WFP but choosing not to use it, maybe if we only used WFP on 1st floor windows and mop and blade the bottoms, that would save 50% of the water.
Matt
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I had a booster pump for about an hour crappy thing off ebay! >:( They any good Matt? I got a merlin and the waste on that is obscene
Just had a thought about it though and even if we had the hottest summer ever we would be able to wfp all day everyday and wash all our cars and water the gardens, if only the water companies fixed all the leaking pipes underground we would never ever have a hosepipe ban and those buggers make millions in profit every year and still try to increase the rates !
Stuff morals, get the pole out ;D
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I had a booster pump for about an hour crappy thing off ebay! >:( They any good Matt? I got a merlin and the waste on that is obscene
Just had a thought about it though and even if we had the hottest summer ever we would be able to wfp all day everyday and wash all our cars and water the gardens, if only the water companies fixed all the leaking pipes underground we would never ever have a hosepipe ban and those buggers make millions in profit every year and still try to increase the rates !
Stuff morals, get the pole out ;D
LOL
I have a ROman RO unit 500 GPD, I have the aquatech 125 psi pump from polar brite, I can use this for hours and hours at a time, some booster pumps can only work for 1 hour than have to be turned off for 1 hour.
I think they are around the £120 mark, but for how much quicker it takes to fill its really worth it.
Matt
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"I am afraid they can, any water collected in gullies and gutters becomes the property of the waterboard. FACT!"
It only becomes the property of the waterboard once it joins their drainage system. Any gutters not connected ie soakaways, or syterns have absolutely nothing to do with the water authorities hence why you get a % rebate on your drainage part of the bill if you can prove you dont use their drains. Worked for Anglian Water myself for seven years b4 becoming a windy.
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last time a hosepipe ban was discussed in the south east a mate of mine worked for the environment agency and another for southern water , they told me a hose pipe ban was on the usual domestic use already mentioned and that stricter controls if required would result in a further 3 stages of 'drought orders' with the final stage resulting in the use of standpipes,where we would legaly stand if drought orders were implemented I've no idea but things would have to get pretty desperate before it came to that and maybe only for a week or two.
Whats more intersesting was hearing on the news the other week that some water companies are looking into having a peak summer usuage tarrif on their meters !
anyways I've always had a bit of an issue with the amount of wfp users (and I am one myself) who insist on using wfp on their shops and ground floors almost exclusively over picking up a squegee !
even when we are paying for the water and its plentiful right now it still seems incredibly wasteful (also outside of this forum there are plenty without flow contollers/varistreams etc.) so if a hose pipe ban and water usuage became an issue and we were perhaps frowned upon by the general public and noseyparkers I'd be trying to put myself in a good light with my custies and mix it up a little trad and wfp where only nescessary on safety grounds. Whats wrong with us all doing our bit ?
HEATWAVE ! yeah bring on, long summer evenings and g&t's cant wait ! :D
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spe, matt
as you say if things got bad would wfp up trad down did this in 2006 when hose pipe ban.
I must admit i did the right thing for the wrong reason :-[
I'd just turned wfp end august 06 and told custy's i would trad downstairs to save on water.
really i was easeing myself into wfp if there were any probs with with windows it would be the ups, so i half my chances of mistakes.
but if we ever did have drought would do this.
and would go back to ladders and buckets and just miss dangerous climbs!
after the bad winter i am saving an emergengcy fund for winter; it's ironic to think that one day even though very unlikely it could be called upon to use the funds in the summer :o
matt re: your booster pump.
i have 200 gpd ro-man system which produces at 27ltrs an hour; the water pressure at my parents place where my setup is; is 5 bar/75psi (i hope that's right way round)
was wondering would it make much difference to water production and waste in my circumstance; not really sure of my waste to production ratio.
thanks lee
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Lee I would seriously get a booster pump, this will speed up filling time and give you a better waste to pure ratio and the pressure is higher and therefore forces more water through the membranes for it to be filtered.
have a look on the polarbrite website or give Craig a ring, tell him I sent you/told you to give him a ring.
Matt
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thanks matt.
ps: do you require any extra's like breaker tank?
will look on polarbrite's site.
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Dont forget they are building a desalination plant in east london to cope with droghts in soth east.
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oh yeh i remember that now, when is that due to be finished?
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Quite frankly the ratio's given here on this thread are "Whimsical" to say the very least!
A 40/40 is probably the best (and most expensive) as said by another post the merlin has an obscene amount of waste, anything less than than say the 500 system from RO-man(even with a 125 booster pump) would not get anywhere near 70%...
70% waste would be more accurate!
As for working using WFP during a drought, how tough do you think you are?
People can get nasty, slashing tyres, battery acid on the sign written van... need I go on?
I HAVE REMOVED THE LAST BIT, AS I WISH NOT TO OFFEND ANYONE, SORRY IF I DID!
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You lot do know that if you get a hot summer that does not say that there will be less rain fall. you can have a fairly dry winter without rain,,,,, Its the rain fall that needs to be less not the heat of the summer ;D
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Quite frankly the ratio's given here on this thread are "Whimsical" to say the very least!
A 40/40 is probably the best (and most expensive) as said by another post the merlin has an obscene amount of waste, anything less than than say the 500 system from RO-man(even with a 125 booster pump) would not get anywhere near 70%...
70% waste would be more accurate!
As for working using WFP during a drought, how tough do you think you are?
People can get nasty, slashing tyres, battery acid on the sign written van... need I go on?
Nothings changed on this site!
I suppose the old saying still stands;
If there's enough nut's on a forum, someone's bound to talk Bo*****'S
Have you used a 500GPD?
you are more than welcome to come round my house and see it for yourself.
Matt
it takes 2m 12s to fill 1 litre of waste water and only 58s to fill 1 litre of pure water.
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Matt I hope you notice I retracted the bit that was offensive, sorry!
back to the argument...
So what's the ratio then?
1 to 2.28 ?
How do you come by the % equation?
By brother in law has a 40/40 he can turn a valve and almost have no waste, however the RO suffers(reduces the life)
I went over to Rain-Harvesting 2yrs ago due to the fact I could not agree or accept the wastage of water, to me it's immoral(after-all it's only window cleaning!)
I have in front of me the Ionic' s cataloque 2010
on page 24, it reads;
Pro 6
The Ultimate Low Waste System...
A typical RO system rejects up to 60% of the incoming water supply in order to carry impurities down the drain. In industry this is an accepted part of the process. however window cleaning attracts the attention of consumers who are often more conscious of the cost of water as well as the environmental impact, especially in times of drought.
it goes on to say;
The PRO 6 uses an additional high spec filter which makes it possible to re-circulate a large percentage of the reject water back through the RO membrane.
Only 20% waste water
The cheapest machine is £3,995
Are you telling me that Ionic's have it wrong and we can do ALMOST the same thing with a RO-Man 500 system priced at £? (but RO-450 £299+vat)