Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cockney rebel on February 04, 2010, 08:14:55 pm
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Phoned Purefreedom as i wanted an upright baffled tank 500L. With vat about £200. Asked them how much to fit it, eg bolted to floor with cage. Guess how much.......................£1000!!!!!!!!!!!
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tell them to jump. WHEN WE DONT WANT A JOB WHAT DO WE DO OVERPRICE.
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I told them to stick it up there poo chute.
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can you recommend anywhere else that would do a quality job for less??
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Hey cockney that wasn't a very nice thing to tell them ;D They may be glad not to have you as a customer
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what about your local garage?if youve got the tank and frame get them to do it maybe?be a lot cheaper i bet! ;) ;) ;D ;D
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please
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They have just called me back this afternoon. Said they can now do it for £800......still way over the top. Gonna have a chat with a mate of mine who does cars up. I'm sure he will do the same job as Purefreedom and all for a few mucky beers.
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i had a chat with the guy at the local garage and he said he"ll fit my tank for £150 when i get it!happy days! ;D ;D ;D
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Blimey :o :o :o :o
Is the frame REAL GOLD or something :o :o :o
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i thought pure freedom was meant to be cheap lol!
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I think it shows a few on here do not know the work that goes into making a tank frame up, the fitting is easy part normally.
Design a frame then buy the metal get fabricator to make it up, hope it fits the tank, have it powder coated then get the bolts and fit it.
Let us all know the cost.
I know if I had to do it again I would be using a company as it is a ball ache both times, I have had 2 tank frames made up, one for flat 650L tank, the other for 2x 250 upright tanks, also have a purefreedom system fitted
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Try www.plasticwatertanks.co.uk
They will build and fit a custom made tank of a higher quality for less than Pure Freedom
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Try www.plasticwatertank.co.uk
They will build and fit a custom made tank of a higher quality for less than Pure Freedom
Their prices are so competitive theyve gone down the pan.
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You mean they have gone out of business?
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I do, have you taken a look at their latest web-page?
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No, sorry to hear that.
Water Fed Pole System in Grantham who I used for my van fit 4 years ago have just stopped trading. They fitted a 10mm polypropeline tank and system for reaonable price (to me). Tuckerpole and Facelift would have been about 2k more for the same thing.
Seems there are some good companies disappearing.
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Matt
Just spoken to Plastic Water Tanks Direct and they are very much STILL IN BUSINESS.
Guy was telling me about a custom tank he has just made to incorporate and hold a gas bottle for a hot system.
To ammend earlier comment, they do not actually fit the tanks though.
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Are they just not having a website then? I need to speak to a tank manufacturer soon.
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I think it shows a few on here do not know the work that goes into making a tank frame up, the fitting is easy part normally.
Design a frame then buy the metal get fabricator to make it up, hope it fits the tank, have it powder coated then get the bolts and fit it.
Let us all know the cost.
I know if I had to do it again I would be using a company as it is a ball ache both times, I have had 2 tank frames made up, one for flat 650L tank, the other for 2x 250 upright tanks, also have a purefreedom system fitted
I think you are missing the point. The tank is £200, but they charge £800 for the fitting. That's a ripoff.
Atleast that's how I read it.
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When PureFreedom fitted my tank for 1K it included controller and pump fitted as well (what are they £200 together?) there would have been something I guess for the panel theyre fitted to I guess on top of the cage. Pipe-work and fitting I guess and external port outlet.
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Are they just not having a website then? I need to speak to a tank manufacturer soon.
I have been on thier website a couple of time this morning looking at pictures of examples of van tanks and also spoke to the guy on the phone.
www.plasticwatertanks.co.uk
tel. 01616 266080
mob. 07774 495220
(He did ask who told me he had gone bust though - just tell him you are not THE Matt Bateman))
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Oi! Youve changed the URL. :P
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They have just called me back this afternoon. Said they can now do it for £800......still way over the top. Gonna have a chat with a mate of mine who does cars up. I'm sure he will do the same job as Purefreedom and all for a few mucky beers.
I doubt he would mate, they use engineers to fit the cage and assemble the cage. try getting a mig welder to make you a cage for less than £500.
plus if they fit it and something happens then they are liable if your mate does it and something happens you wont get anything.
Matt
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Oi! Youve changed the URL. :P
Sorry - typo error, forgot the s.
Best not to assume all spelling is 100%.
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now that guy does ,make tidy set ups
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They have just called me back this afternoon. Said they can now do it for £800......still way over the top. Gonna have a chat with a mate of mine who does cars up. I'm sure he will do the same job as Purefreedom and all for a few mucky beers.
I doubt he would mate, they use engineers to fit the cage and assemble the cage. try getting a mig welder to make you a cage for less than £500.
plus if they fit it and something happens then they are liable if your mate does it and something happens you wont get anything.
Matt
Very true Matt, not everyone appreciates over heads, im guessing the 200 was for baffled tank, then with a cage added and fitted the cost has to go up.
If a window cleaner had a £10.00 semi (windows only) and the customer asked for the large victorian conservotry to be cleaned in/out aswell, would this be within the price?
Suppliers have to make a living too!
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Very true Craig, people want things dirt cheap but then charge what THEY see is a good price for cleaning windows.
Craig do you have any leisure batteries in stock? might nip over tomorrow. my HD deisel battery is on its last legs.
Matt
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plus if they fit it and something happens then they are liable if your mate does it and something happens you wont get anything.
Matt
really ? ? ? ? i wonder how that would fair in a court of law
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Very true Craig, people want things dirt cheap but then charge what THEY see is a good price for cleaning windows.
Craig do you have any leisure batteries in stock? might nip over tomorrow. my HD deisel battery is on its last legs.
Matt
Hi Matt, I only have sealed batteries as stock items, as cant send wet batteries in post,and prob would not sell many at trade counter, best place is the lucas ebay shop.
You must be busy, as i never see you on here lately.
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plus if they fit it and something happens then they are liable if your mate does it and something happens you wont get anything.
Matt
really ? ? ? ? i wonder how that would fair in a court of law
If they offer a fitting service and you have the receipt for that, course they are liable if the tank comes away from its fittings etc.
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Very true Craig, people want things dirt cheap but then charge what THEY see is a good price for cleaning windows.
Craig do you have any leisure batteries in stock? might nip over tomorrow. my HD deisel battery is on its last legs.
Matt
Hi Matt, I only have sealed batteries as stock items, as cant send wet batteries in post,and prob would not sell many at trade counter, best place is the lucas ebay shop.
You must be busy, as i never see you on here lately.
Are they the gel ones?
have been busy dropping flyers and catching up, plus I have been back and forth from Leicester a few times in the past 3 weeks.
Are you busy at the mo?
Matt
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Yes very busy, just the 26ah sealed which we use for our trolleys.
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I think it shows a few on here do not know the work that goes into making a tank frame up, the fitting is easy part normally.
Design a frame then buy the metal get fabricator to make it up, hope it fits the tank, have it powder coated then get the bolts and fit it.
Let us all know the cost.
I know if I had to do it again I would be using a company as it is a ball ache both times, I have had 2 tank frames made up, one for flat 650L tank, the other for 2x 250 upright tanks, also have a purefreedom system fitted
Pure freedom want £1000! to fit a £200 tank, come on mate, your having a laugh, thats a rip off.
I have a ionics system and i dont think that they riped me off as much as pure freedom are trying to here.
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plus if they fit it and something happens then they are liable if your mate does it and something happens you wont get anything.
Matt
really ? ? ? ? i wonder how that would fair in a court of law
If they offer a fitting service and you have the receipt for that, course they are liable if the tank comes away from its fittings etc.
i wouldnt like that to stand up in court, afterall they have fitted the tank as safely as they can, they havent guaranteed that it will never fail in a accident ( or do they ? ? ? ? ) as thats a legal minefield
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If the weld on the cage cracks or they drill the holes in the wrong place on the floor they are liable.
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i wouldnt like that to stand up in court, afterall they have fitted the tank as safely as they can, they havent guaranteed that it will never fail in a accident ( or do they ? ? ? ? ) as thats a legal minefield
Wouldnt be fit for purpose would it. It would be expected to be able to withstand the forcse generated in an accident sufficiently to prevent the driver (and passengers) at the very least suffering any injuries which otherwise wouldnt have occured.
When I bought my system off PureFreedom the one and only selling angle they went down was safety, if it cant do what it says on the tin then its breaking the law and theyre open to being sued.
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i wouldnt like that to stand up in court, afterall they have fitted the tank as safely as they can, they havent guaranteed that it will never fail in a accident ( or do they ? ? ? ? ) as thats a legal minefield
Wouldnt be fit for purpose would it. It would be expected to be able to withstand the forcse generated in an accident sufficiently to prevent the driver (and passengers) at the very least suffering any injuries which otherwise wouldnt have occured.
to many variables for that though ( well for a court of law )
how fast would you be travelling for them not to be liable ? ? ?
what type of impact would it need to be below ? ? ?
we have had a similar discussion on here, would a pole manufacturer be liable if a pole broke ? ? ? ? no it wouldnt
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i wouldnt like that to stand up in court, afterall they have fitted the tank as safely as they can, they havent guaranteed that it will never fail in a accident ( or do they ? ? ? ? ) as thats a legal minefield
Wouldnt be fit for purpose would it. It would be expected to be able to withstand the forcse generated in an accident sufficiently to prevent the driver (and passengers) at the very least suffering any injuries which otherwise wouldnt have occured.
to many variables for that though ( well for a court of law )
how fast would you be travelling for them not to be liable ? ? ?
what type of impact would it need to be below ? ? ?
we have had a similar discussion on here, would a pole manufacturer be liable if a pole broke ? ? ? ? no it wouldnt
If it was down to a manufacturing fault then yes they would be liable if a pole broke.
Matt
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Hi
£800? to fit a 500lt tank plus stainless steel cage.
Cost of tank ? £200
Cost of S/S cage £250/£300
Fitting £300 all including VAT!
Ask anyone who has a Freedom tank fitted and they will tell you they dont just bolt them down in each corner. You will get proper job I have.
Snatch their hands off!!!!
If you want picks of mine fitted I will post them.
Mart.
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we have had a similar discussion on here, would a pole manufacturer be liable if a pole broke ? ? ? ? no it wouldnt
I was talking about whether something was 'fit for purpose' Matt, if a pole couldnt be used as intended to clean then it wouldnt be fit for purpose, of course it has to be safe to use but that isnt its primary purpose; whereas a cage in a van is fitted for the purpose of making the tank and its contents safe within the vehicle.
If a cage doesnt offer this then the supplier/manufacturer are certainly breaking the trades description act and by supplying something which isnt fit for purpose.
If you buy a car and it doesnt go it isnt fit for purpose.
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we have had a similar discussion on here, would a pole manufacturer be liable if a pole broke ? ? ? ? no it wouldnt
I was talking about whether something was 'fit for purpose' Matt, if a pole couldnt be used as intended to clean then it wouldnt be fit for purpose, of course it has to be safe to use but that isnt its primary purpose; whereas a cage in a van is fitted for the purpose of making the tank and its contents safe within the vehicle.
If a cage doesnt offer this then the supplier/manufacturer are certainly breaking the trades description act and by supplying something which isnt fit for purpose.
If you buy a car and it doesnt go it isnt fit for purpose.
the car is a good example
you are driving a car thats been designed to safely get you from a - b , you have a crash, now whilst the car has ABS and airbags ( and you presume is safe ) you crash into a wall and a larry smashs into from behind
* insert car makers name * would not be liable
whilst any conpany will fit a tankcage as best they can, you might park your van on a train track, would you expect the cage to hold up then ? ?? ? see what i mean about variables
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Matt, you are determined to be right, in that case you're right ;)
If the truth be known I cant be arsed; but I'm not aware of any car manufacturer who makes a vehicle that is intended to withstand the forces of a train smashing into it. My point was simple enough, they make a product, it legally should be able to serve the purpose for which it is intended. Simple.
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just been quoted £6500 for a full system fitted in van with booster pump, poles, heater, the whole lot..
does this seem a lot? or about what u'd expect..
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is that 1000l and two reels two pumps etc? seems okay.
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no its 650lt tank i think and yes its a 2 man system.. the tank only cost a few more quid for a 1000lt