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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: R W C™ on January 28, 2010, 09:36:16 pm
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watch it R W C , he will be onto you soon, ranting about how good the system it ::) , how you dont understand ::), how he has even been to the factory ::)
on a serious note though
yes, spent 28 K and didnt have any work
it'll be ok though, the contracts will roll in when you have that special sign on your van
oh hang on, it didnt work as the customer doesnt have the foggiest or even care what system you have
But shhhhhhhh dont tell them that, they get a little angry over it
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watch it R W C , he will be onto you soon, ranting about how good the system it ::) , how you dont understand ::), how he has even been to the factory ::)
on a serious note though
yes, spent 28 K and didnt have any work
it'll be ok though, the contracts will roll in when you have that special sign on your van
oh hang on, it didnt work as the customer doesnt have the foggiest or even care what system you have
But shhhhhhhh dont tell them that, they get a little angry over it
Ah but Matt - his system produces 001 ppm - didn't you read that? So does mine but with an extra spoonful of resin it's 000. ::) £28K - Sheeeesh! Poor guy.
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Who is INOICS?
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watch it R W C , he will be onto you soon, ranting about how good the system it ::) , how you dont understand ::), how he has even been to the factory ::)
on a serious note though
yes, spent 28 K and didnt have any work
it'll be ok though, the contracts will roll in when you have that special sign on your van
oh hang on, it didnt work as the customer doesnt have the foggiest or even care what system you have
But shhhhhhhh dont tell them that, they get a little angry over it
Ah but Matt - his system produces 001 ppm - didn't you read that? So does mine but with an extra spoonful of resin it's 000. ::) £28K - Sheeeesh! Poor guy.
I hear ya. Poor sod.
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watch it R W C , he will be onto you soon, ranting about how good the system it ::) , how you dont understand ::), how he has even been to the factory ::)
on a serious note though
yes, spent 28 K and didnt have any work
it'll be ok though, the contracts will roll in when you have that special sign on your van
oh hang on, it didnt work as the customer doesnt have the foggiest or even care what system you have
But shhhhhhhh dont tell them that, they get a little angry over it
Another sucker! ;D
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Its a good system and setup if you have the work
he obviously got it thinking it was a magic wand to bring in custies
nothing wrong with the system if you can afford it though
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Vans worth £6k at a push
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Ask him if he'll do a buy it now for £8K.
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Vans worth £6k at a push
eh??
15000 miles ? 2007
where you buying vans as ill have one at that price ??!!
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Its a good system and setup if you have the work
he obviously got it thinking it was a magic wand to bring in custies
nothing wrong with the system if you can afford it though
Totally right Sean on this ;D
I think some people who go into this forget that you still have to build the business, and do actually think the van will do it for them.
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Who is INOICS?
he doesnt want to be sued by all accounts ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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poor bloke, an other sucker who thought the more you spend the more work you will get, probably just sits at home waiting for the phone to ring
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poor bloke, an other sucker who thought the more you spend the more work you will get, probably just sits at home waiting for the phone to ring
Shhhhhhhhhh, slumpbuster's about! :o
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you saying he spent £28.000 on the system and van , and no work ??
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you saying he spent £28.000 on the system and van , and no work ??
Probably, just look at some of the big players websites, you'd think they were selling money tree seeds! :D
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yes i think its a shame , i personally could not afford that sort of money but i reckon ionics and alike would say anything to get the sale.
its best to start small and stay small i think , when you get big it get a bit complicated i would imagine,
sure this guy is not just upgrading his system.?
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Just Google Brodex-
Top of the page- HUGE PROFITS FAST!!
It's a shame for the unaware/gullable newbie. The fact remains that no equipment will generate you custom/profit, especially to begin with. It must come from within, it's easier/more natural for some, luck plays it part too & a huge debt to begin with usually not a good idea IMO.
Can't fault the system, very good quality (if a little overpriced) but probably more suited to either an established w/c'er who has the work to pay for it & fancies a treat or a large company wanting to use their branding, reliability & maybe even wanting to spend money for various reasons.
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brodex they make it sound good , they are over rated like ionics lot of money for something that just looks fancy.
i think anyone who bought one would swear by them after that amount of money they got too ;D
thank god i didnt go for one of them, what i know now and the one i got in the end is fab at a fraction of the cost, and paid for.
i bet if you wanted to change a filter it would cost a lot too.
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saying that, there tds meters are cheap ;)
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Vans worth £6k at a push
eh??
15000 miles ? 2007
where you buying vans as ill have one at that price ??!!
That's what I thought too. Mine (2.9tonne Trafic) was a bit under three years old but with higher mileage (37,000). I paid 8k. This was about right too I think as the only cheaper ones I saw at the time never mentioned mileage in the ad - a sure sign that it's high. My Trafic is 100bhp though and is SWB. I imagine that comparing it to what I bought that van could be 9k+. However, there wasn't any noticeable economic problems when I bought mine. That can make a difference as it's possible to sell cheaply just to get some money in.
Mind you, 17.5k sounds a bit over the top for the whole bit.
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lads done the same thing here; bought a system 5 k a van 5 k gearbox faild in van
and hes not got a lot of custys ;) takes time.
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Its a sad story but he's not alone. Obviously somebody who has blown his redundancy money on a new venture that hasn't worked out.
But why hasn't it worked out? I have always said that the beauty of window cleaning is that it can't fail, every house has windows and the country is full of houses.
I have been very vocal in the past in my criticism of franchises. I know this is not a franchise but its the next best thing. Not just in window cleaning but all over, they appeal to the wrong sort of people and too many of the companies are all too willing to take their money.
I have seen them come and go around here. There were two about some time back and they have both gone again now. I've heard stories of people being quoted £35 to clean a three bed semi.
All too often it seems to me the plans of these people doesn't include the two words "hard work".
There was a franchise scheme that was being strongly advertised a couple of years back, interestingly I haven't seen it advertised for a while so I hope it has folded. It was a nasty little scheme that couldn't possibly have ever worked.
The idea was you bought one of these shiny new vans, canvassed up a load of commercial work (how?) then employed a couple of mugs to do the work while you sat back and watched the readies roll in.
A similar sort of scheme seemed to be running with wheelie bin cleaning. Those trucks have disappeared as well.
With hard work and effort you can't fail in window cleaning but you don't need a £28 van.
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you are right ,,With hard work and effort you can't fail in window cleaning but you don't need a £28 van
i think the new van thing is show ,but it can go the othe way some people dont like to see you do well and tend to go for the underdog,
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Vans worth £6k at a push
eh??
15000 miles ? 2007
where you buying vans as ill have one at that price ??!!
Me too please.
On a more serious note I have noticed an awful lot of kit for sale recently like this when I guess people get made redundant and think oh window cleanings easy I will do that, and to be honest they may well look at sites like this where people are saying they earn well over £20.00 an hour etc etc and compared to a £7 per hour factory job it sounds great but if the money is so good (and yes I know some do earn damn good money) why are there so many pleas on here for second hand roof racks, used poles and even used pumps if the money was as good as it supposed to be why not buy new? Mind you 28k what a rip off, that is taking the p big time
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Morning,
I think the vans worth, maybe as Dave means it is; To a dealer it's worth 6k so they can sell to you and I for 8k.
Lee
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Morning,
I think the vans worth, maybe as Dave means it is; To a dealer it's worth 6k so they can sell to you and I for 8k.
Lee
Thats why I wouldn't but one from a dealer but its worth over 6k all day long
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who is to blame with these slick sales teams
i have seen the sales van ( a old local guy phoned me up and asked if i would come along with him as i was using a WFP system ) he was a older guy who was going to buy a system to save climbing ladders for the next 8 years ( then he was going to retire )
some of the sales pitch was just out of this world, people really are sold if they buy the system ( which they are proud to say is the most expensive, thus must be the best ) work will stream in, not just any work, take a average window cleaner they earn 10 quid a house, well when people see the van pull up, they will know the system is the best and they will pay much more than a normal window cleaner ::)
oh and the council will phone you up and ask you to do work for them, that 1 made me laugh at the guy
people do fall for the sales patter
its normally people in the mid to late 20's who just love the idea of having the most expensive system you can buy, they are prime to have a slick salesman ( who has practice in selling a system ) take the 10 years redundancy money money away OR and this is the more likely scenario, they sign them upto 200 - 250 a month payments ( afterall this also pays the sales team some money ) and they tell them to keep the redundancy to fall back on whilst they are building up the business
what the sales team forget to mention, you do need houses to clean, yes sometimes it will come in fast, sometimes it will be slow, but whilst your van is parked outside your house, its not earning and your eating into what money you have saved and every month your paying out that 200 - 250
a little research goes along way
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there seems to be a lot of failed business around over the last 8 years, i think it is becasue we have this so called skills shortage in this country compnays are poping up all over the place training people ie plumbers, electrions plasters, tilers, charging them 5 grand selling them expensive materials, and then saying sit at home and the work will flow in, they do it for 6 months then go back to geting a job
a lot of the problem is the trainers, i had an apprentise plumbing working with me a few years ago, he got told by his trainer in college, he will be on a 1000 a week, and can charge 500 just to swap a bathroom over (no tiling) these then go out start quoting all the jobs they can really high, dont get any of it then when other people get the work, say they are being under cut
i think that is happening in wc, a lot buy the systems, quote a price for a job, that they got told, they should charge, dont get it then moan that the bloke who got it must be a doley working for beer money if he is doing it cheaper
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i do think certain towns vilages and so on have a price difrance on what you can charge to clean the windows , so with that in mind when buying such a kit as this one care should be taken.
ionics and that wont say that they just want the sale , one day a new company will bring something out and cheaper and knock ionics/ brodex off the map because they are so expensive .
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i do think certain towns vilages and so on have a price difrance on what you can charge to clean the windows , so with that in mind when buying such a kit as this one care should be taken.
ionics and that wont say that they just want the sale , one day a new company will bring something out and cheaper and knock ionics/ brodex off the map because they are so expensive .
One thing that Ionics do better is there marketing, hence why they are the most expensive and make the most money, if someone riveled that they do at a cheaper price they would be knocked of the nice perch they sit on at the moment.
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yes i know what you mean , at the end of the day most systems do the same thing , i dont think ionics are any better than brodex , it is marketing.
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yes i know what you mean , at the end of the day most systems do the same thing , i dont think ionics are any better than brodex , it is marketing.
The crash test and marketing are there top 2 things, but have to give them credit also for selling resin in the fancy tubes to all there customers, now that is very clever repeat business for what is just resin inside that is more than likely available elsewhere cheaper (anyone know whzat there resin is ?), goes to show fancy packages sell for more money.
Well done Ionics for doing it I say,
if you have the money why not get one.
As with anything don't believe everything your told as the truth can be very flexible
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As has been said before, if you buy one of these big shiny all dancing all singing jobs and take out a finance deal on it you are going to be stuffed when you get a bad winter like this one - not enough work in the first place and no work at all when the snow came will ruin many dreamers who get sucked in by the hype.
I had a look at another company - close to £30,000 for their top of the range set up, they do tend to lead you on a bit giving you sheets of paper with potential earnings and proof of someone who actually turns it over.
Don't know if it's the sellers fault or the buyer being so naive to be honest.
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As has been said before, if you buy one of these big shiny all dancing all singing jobs and take out a finance deal on it you are going to be stuffed when you get a bad winter like this one - not enough work in the first place and no work at all when the snow came will ruin many dreamers who get sucked in by the hype.
I had a look at another company - close to £30,000 for their top of the range set up, they do tend to lead you on a bit giving you sheets of paper with potential earnings and proof of someone who actually turns it over.
Don't know if it's the sellers fault or the buyer being so naive to be honest.
It tends to happen on here too. It's the easiest thing in the world to spend someone else's money!
It's easier to listen to what you WANT to hear rather than what you NEED to know.
Knowing all the cons as well as the pros will be more beneficial, although you may not be popular for pointing them out!! ;D
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well those who earn big dollor they probs prefer to spend it on a all singing all dancing system every 3 years as it beats paying the tax man the money instead. ;D ;D
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well those who earn big dollor they probs prefer to spend it on a all singing all dancing system every 3 years as it beats paying the tax man the money instead. ;D ;D
Thats my plan but I dont think i will be knocking on the door of ionics
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why dot soeone email the guy ge thim on here and give hiom some real advice. guy must be gutted
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yes i know what you mean , at the end of the day most systems do the same thing , i dont think ionics are any better than brodex , it is marketing.
The crash test and marketing are there top 2 things, but have to give them credit also for selling resin in the fancy tubes to all there customers, now that is very clever repeat business for what is just resin inside that is more than likely available elsewhere cheaper (anyone know whzat there resin is ?), goes to show fancy packages sell for more money.
Well done Ionics for doing it I say,
if you have the money why not get one.
As with anything don't believe everything your told as the truth can be very flexible
yeah I buy fancy Ionics resin in those tubes things, cost about £80 but then again the 1st one lasted from Aug 06 to Jan 09 when I decided to change it although I didn't really need to with tds showing 000 just thought I would change it and the present one is now 1 year old and still 000 tds
how much do you spend on resin over a year ?
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could be any reason why hes selling it , illness perhaps, or sick of windows, maybe 2 weeks ago won the lottery so out with this old working for a living lark.
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yeah I buy fancy Ionics resin in those tubes things, cost about £80 but then again the 1st one lasted from Aug 06 to Jan 09 when I decided to change it although I didn't really need to with tds showing 000 just thought I would change it and the present one is now 1 year old and still 000 tds
how much do you spend on resin over a year ?
Sorry stephen s - are you really saying you changed resin when it was still showing 000TDS? Why would you do that?
And in answer to your question I buy a 25kg bag of resin for £69 which lasts me two years.
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could be any reason why hes selling it , illness perhaps, or sick of windows, maybe 2 weeks ago won the lottery so out with this old working for a living lark.
this is true , i think the weather has not helped him , shame to sell
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yes i know what you mean , at the end of the day most systems do the same thing , i dont think ionics are any better than brodex , it is marketing.
The crash test and marketing are there top 2 things, but have to give them credit also for selling resin in the fancy tubes to all there customers, now that is very clever repeat business for what is just resin inside that is more than likely available elsewhere cheaper (anyone know whzat there resin is ?), goes to show fancy packages sell for more money.
Well done Ionics for doing it I say,
if you have the money why not get one.
As with anything don't believe everything your told as the truth can be very flexible
yeah I buy fancy Ionics resin in those tubes things, cost about £80 but then again the 1st one lasted from Aug 06 to Jan 09 when I decided to change it although I didn't really need to with tds showing 000 just thought I would change it and the present one is now 1 year old and still 000 tds
how much do you spend on resin over a year ?
have you got ionics system?
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who was this aimed at ?
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stephens it was aimed at , just wonderd if he has, how does he rate them for the money they cost.
that goes for anyone with the ionics.
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Just checked for his website and its not working www.reflectcleaningsolutions.co.uk
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yes i know what you mean , at the end of the day most systems do the same thing , i dont think ionics are any better than brodex , it is marketing.
The crash test and marketing are there top 2 things, but have to give them credit also for selling resin in the fancy tubes to all there customers, now that is very clever repeat business for what is just resin inside that is more than likely available elsewhere cheaper (anyone know whzat there resin is ?), goes to show fancy packages sell for more money.
Well done Ionics for doing it I say,
if you have the money why not get one.
As with anything don't believe everything your told as the truth can be very flexible
yeah I buy fancy Ionics resin in those tubes things, cost about £80 but then again the 1st one lasted from Aug 06 to Jan 09 when I decided to change it although I didn't really need to with tds showing 000 just thought I would change it and the present one is now 1 year old and still 000 tds
how much do you spend on resin over a year ?
have you got ionics system?
yes I have an Ionics system and find them great especially the thermapure
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A three year old trafic is worth £6k plus vat, try selling one for more, you wont get it, a dealer might but you wont.
You can buy the new for £11k plus vat so £5k depreciation in 3 years is about right.
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yeah I buy fancy Ionics resin in those tubes things, cost about £80 but then again the 1st one lasted from Aug 06 to Jan 09 when I decided to change it although I didn't really need to with tds showing 000 just thought I would change it and the present one is now 1 year old and still 000 tds
how much do you spend on resin over a year ?
Sorry stephen s - are you really saying you changed resin when it was still showing 000TDS? Why would you do that?
And in answer to your question I buy a 25kg bag of resin for £69 which lasts me two years.
I only changed it because of inexperience by tinking it must surely need changing as it was from Aug 06 - jAN 09 so while I was down near Ionics I decided to change it, yes it was still coming out at 000 after 2 and half years
have no plans to chang the current one until it needs changing so that could be another year or so
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A three year old trafic is worth £6k plus vat, try selling one for more, you wont get it, a dealer might but you wont.
You can buy the new for £11k plus vat so £5k depreciation in 3 years is about right.
You have to take into account the mileage. There are 244 for sale on autotrader and only 9 are less than 6k that must tell you something! I am looking to buy one at the moment and I have not seen one with decent low mileage and service history for 6k but if you know where there are some please forward the details, that said there is one, just one for 5500 plus the dreaded so they will be getting a call in the morning!
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stephen what size tank comes with that ?
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650 LTR's
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does that take long to fill
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it does with my water pressure( about 12 hours ) but have filled up elsewere and it was much quicker
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ever thought of booster pump
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was actually thinking that last week but as I fill overnight anyway its not really a problem, but yes a booster pump is on my agenda
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was actually thinking that last week but as I fill overnight anyway its not really a problem, but yes a booster pump is on my agenda
what type of system do you have ? i have just ordered a 400L pro 6 from ionics.
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I have a pro5 thermapure with a 650 Ltr tank, believe it or not but the thermapure actually has more use in the summer months
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I don't know what you guy's are moaning about? He's thrown in the TDS meter for gods sake ;D ;D
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The thing is dose any one know why he is selling? well i have brought an ionics system 650Lt pro6 with out the ionics sales pitch. You see i saw my redundancy coming 2/3 years before it happen, so what i did was buy some hand tools and got out to see if i could hack it especially in the winter. I started of doing friends and neighbors. I looked on message boards like this one then quickly found out what was on offer in the WFP market. I have looked at a lot of them and for me none come close to ionics systems. i wonder how many people on here if they had the money would buy one?
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The thing is dose any one know why he is selling? well i have brought an ionics system 650Lt pro6 with out the ionics sales pitch. You see i saw my redundancy coming 2/3 years before it happen, so what i did was buy some hand tools and got out to see if i could hack it especially in the winter. I started of doing friends and neighbors. I looked on message boards like this one then quickly found out what was on offer in the WFP market. I have looked at a lot of them and for me none come close to ionics systems. i wonder how many people on here if they had the money would buy one?
I didn't.
I'm glad.
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The thing is dose any one know why he is selling? well i have brought an ionics system 650Lt pro6 with out the ionics sales pitch. You see i saw my redundancy coming 2/3 years before it happen, so what i did was buy some hand tools and got out to see if i could hack it especially in the winter. I started of doing friends and neighbors. I looked on message boards like this one then quickly found out what was on offer in the WFP market. I have looked at a lot of them and for me none come close to ionics systems. i wonder how many people on here if they had the money would buy one?
Thats just the thing Steve you did it sensibly ( in my opinion) build up some business and then upgrade your equipment and while we do not know the reason why this guy is selling, perhaps he has won the lottery? one thing is for sure it cannot be because he is upgrading, and there has been an awful lot of kit for sale on e-bay lately from would be millionaires finding out window cleaning is not as easy as some people make out, they have splashed out an awful lot of money for the van and the wfp system only to find it a struggle to find customers, it can take an awful long time to build up a good client base and forking out thousands of pounds upfront before you have much work is madness. As the old saying goes you have to learn to walk before you can run.
Oh and yes I have the money to buy an ionic system, will I ? Doubtful
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i like brodex and ionics both good kit would like a thermopure set up
with a van wrap you know with the logo.
it is good kit well made ;)
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i like the system ive got if i have any spare money i will add a water heater,but would not buy ionics or brodex .
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Whats the brodex hot water system like and for that matter do they even do one?
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That's a fair comment, sure i can completely understand that people who start up buy blowing all their redundancy pay with out any understanding of what is involved might give up. Maybe the chap who is selling couldn't handle the winter? who knows. My customer base is growing all the time and I'm happy with the way its going. When i started my customer base was very small but i knew what was involved. The main concern for me was the winter, because i have work in print for over 20 years, so i hadn't experience a winter working outdoors. Well including this winter no problem.........Gold why are you glad???? I'm sure most new start ups give up because of the winter.
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That's a fair comment, sure i can completely understand that people who start up buy blowing all their redundancy pay with out any understanding of what is involved might give up. Maybe the chap who is selling couldn't handle the winter? who knows. My customer base is growing all the time and I'm happy with the way its going. When i started my customer base was very small but i knew what was involved. The main concern for me was the winter, because i have work in print for over 20 years, so i hadn't experience a winter working outdoors. Well including this winter no problem.........Gold why are you glad???? I'm sure most new start up give up because of the winter.
this is my issue, the sales team promise you that if you get the " system " work will flood your way without even trying, some1 who doesnt know better will buy the story and they have just shelled out 30 K and have no work
would i buy 1, no, as i know ( as we all do on here ) what the components are ( you know the shurflow / flowjet pump etc etc ), they really are simple to buy off the shelf and fit in a van, so why pay OTT for some1 else to do it for you ? ? ? ? now i have heard the arguements for the last few years, i still would still do it the way i have, even if i had 100 K redundancy to blow, i have issues with wasting money and for me to buy it would be a waste of money
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That's a fair comment, sure i can completely understand that people who start up buy blowing all their redundancy pay with out any understanding of what is involved might give up. Maybe the chap who is selling couldn't handle the winter? who knows. My customer base is growing all the time and I'm happy with the way its going. When i started my customer base was very small but i knew what was involved. The main concern for me was the winter, because i have work in print for over 20 years, so i hadn't experience a winter working outdoors. Well including this winter no problem.........Gold why are you glad???? I'm sure most new start up give up because of the winter.
this is my issue, the sales team promise you that if you get the " system " work will flood your way without even trying, some1 who doesnt know better will buy the story and they have just shelled out 30 K and have no work
would i buy 1, no, as i know ( as we all do on here ) what the components are ( you know the shurflow / flowjet pump etc etc ), they really are simple to buy off the shelf and fit in a van, so why pay OTT for some1 else to do it for you ? ? ? ? now i have heard the arguements for the last few years, i still would still do it the way i have, even if i had 100 K redundancy to blow, i have issues with wasting money and for me to buy it would be a waste of money
But that's just it i didn't bother with a salesman i knew what i wanted, and as for the promise of the money will come rolling in ??? come on Matt are you sure they say that?
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as you find on these forums is that a lot of people who havent even tried or seen an Ionic system start ranting on about how bad value they are, I bet those very same people would love to have one.
Ionics make the best systems by a long long way and no one else even comes near to them and as we say on her IMO
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Most of the people you see with this setup are guy`s that have been made redundant and have an amount of money to invest in a new venture,anyone who knows anything about this job would not spend that kind of cash.
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Most of the people you see with this setup are guy`s that have been made redundant and have an amount of money to invest in a new venture,anyone who knows anything about this job would not spend that kind of cash.
but if theres no buyer forethcoming , what do you think happens to a setup like he has got for sale ???i hope he finds a buyer
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He will sell it now easily and why you ask,because the price he will get now for it will be the true price that it is worth ie under 20k with van.
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I had a demo from Ionics 4 years ago and the salesman told me that if I got a thermopure system it would get me commercial work (I assumed he meant from the signwritten van).
Ionics systems may be good but I don't see how you can claim they are the best. I prefer the system I have and it cost a lot less.
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I have to back steven s up or anyone reading this forum will think it's full of luddite idiots. The extremes of salesmans fancy promises, and the idea that you can have the same thing for very little are both distortions.
Fact many people have jumped straight in with a turn key ionics and built fabulous businesses in no time flat.
Fact many people have done a great deal of research on places like this forum, spent a great deal less, and also done very well.
It's also a fact that hardly anyone has spent almost nothing and done very well.It's a sweeping statement but the more you are prepared to invest the more you will make. If we are talking about making money and building a business (forget or leave aside trad or wfp arguments) then you need to spend.Posts on here about, i'm hoping to switch next year as funds allow but will start with a back pack or trolley first, are not something i sneer at exactly, but always i think they are making life very hard for themselves.
Matt is a great guy and has helped start hundreds if not thousands via his diy website and with practical knowledge that he is prepared to share.He runs a sound business himself but doesn't like fancy over priced systems, fancy wrapped or sign written vans, and any large expenditure that can be done just as well more cheaply. The problem with this is that those of us that waste all this money tend to make more money. Not in every case, but in very many cases
The guy selling on ebay probably did fail, but i bet a good seven out of ten who buy such systems do well.
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i dont know about any one else but if he pulled up at my house to clean the windows, i would start to think that this is going to be expensive
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thats true i would think the same.
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The thing is dose any one know why he is selling? well i have brought an ionics system 650Lt pro6 with out the ionics sales pitch. You see i saw my redundancy coming 2/3 years before it happen, so what i did was buy some hand tools and got out to see if i could hack it especially in the winter. I started of doing friends and neighbors. I looked on message boards like this one then quickly found out what was on offer in the WFP market. I have looked at a lot of them and for me none come close to ionics systems. i wonder how many people on here if they had the money would buy one?
This is the same as me, i looked around the market and found that ionics came up the best.
I did get over £2000 off the price tho, which made it cheaper than a pure freedom set up.
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Slumps, is it a case of having to make more money?
If you invest loads then you must earn loads to survive. Do you think your net wage is much higher than Matts? Not critisizing just pointing something out. I'm not sure big investment is always nessesary.
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Matt is a great guy and has helped start hundreds if not thousands via his diy website and with practical knowledge that he is prepared to share.He runs a sound business himself but doesn't like fancy over priced systems, fancy wrapped or sign written vans, and any large expenditure that can be done just as well more cheaply. The problem with this is that those of us that waste all this money tend to make more money. Not in every case, but in very many cases
slumpy do not mistake my lack of spending money on a lack of earnings, i just prefere to spend it on other things ( as well people know )
just because you do not hear me boasting what i earn, doesnt mean i am poor
people seem to fall for the above mistakes a fair bit
i have mentioned the time i was a carpenter, i used to have the best kit money could buy ( and i mean that, money no object, i even imported a hammer from the USA because i knew it was the best framing hammer ), the top end power tools, a hand tool set that would have made norm abrams weep with joy, when i would borrow other people tools on jobs ( if i was working with them ) i would look at them and think " i have a better hammer, plane etc etc "
YET they still did the same job as me, the tools do not make the job
i guess this was when i was younger and when i grew older and wiser you realize the shiney tools and van do not make you any better, people just want a good job done by a honest bloke ( this is the image i portray and it works for both sectors of my work, which last weeks phone call for a rather too big a job ( for me ) proved, the director asked for me personally, its because he trusts me to do a good job for a honest price ( ish )
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I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job :o I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.
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I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job :o I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.
Oi !!!!!
it was 22 quid, i had to buy the superglue to stick sections in pairs
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The person behind the machine is what counts.
Spend as much as you like, if the person can't do it, the machine certainly can't. ;)
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I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job :o I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.
do you know what i see when i read that
2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on
though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad ;)
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Ill be buying a nice new flashy system and van every 3 years, rather that then the tax man having it ;)
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No your so wrong i don't have a flash van, yes its sign written and i have ionic pro 6. For a start off the customer doesn't see the system and don't give a monkeys what it looks like. Its all about appearance reliability, affordability, doing the job right and giving a customer exactly what they want. I have pick up to jobs last week where the customer said " I have not seen him since mid November." Its turns out the guy had a rust bucket of a car, ladders on a roof rack tide on with string smoked while doing the job and they never knew when he was coming, So you turn up at a customers house well presented and give a good account of what you can offer I'm sure straight away a element of trust is built, not i bet this guy is expensive more like he looks ok will give him a try.
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Ill be buying a nice new flashy system and van every 3 years, rather that then the tax man having it ;)
So instead of the tax man, the van and wfp systems salesman get it instead.
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Ill be buying a nice new flashy system and van every 3 years, rather that then the tax man having it ;)
So instead of the tax man, the van and wfp systems salesman get it instead.
Yep and I get a new system and van to drive round in. ;D
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One thing I can guarantee. If you buy an expensive system, you will make about the same amount of money as with a good diy system.
As with most things you can buy. Someone will make one that's 10% better, but costs about 60% more, that's commerce. If you wish to fall for it, that's up to you.
I think what people are saying is that it can be done almost as good but much cheaper.
Their systems are good and they do not know the meaning of the word 'bodge' but with a little imagination and effort you do not need to spend thousands to set up as WFP.
Their ad should read 'We can promise you that if you buy one of our systems, we will make more money than you'
In the 7 years I have doing this NOT ONE customer has taken as interest in the equipment in my van....Why would they?
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Further up the page I'm asked why I'm glad I didn't buy an Ionics setup.
The answer is I have tailor built mine to work for me and my business. I am not averse to buying new or decent stuff where necessary. So I decided on a new van (I could have gone for one a few years old but wanted warranty and reliability) - but only a 1.3 Doblo that will let me take 500 litres as a single op. I even bought an SLX last year but everything else is bought and put together by me - but it's dead simple with the advice you get on here.
I mean what is it? A tank full of purified water being sucked on by a pump and fed to a brush? It's a glorified screen wash system built on heavy duty lines! That bit is easy to make reliable. How long to source and build from scratch - a week or two tops if I go canvassing in between. I don't need bits of shiny aluminium and a "crippled man" logo thank you.
If I am going to spend 30K it would be paying myself and adult family to canvass and get business - not on some gearbox failing "big" shiny van that can't get on some of my custies drives and park down village lanes without blocking them. And certainly not lining somebody elses's pocket big time so they can pontificate about how their logo will get me work and have custies fawning all over me to beat a path to my door.
And I know that some get it on finance - sorry if I want a second mortgage of a grand a month for three years then I'll put it towards property thanks.
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I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job :o I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.
do you know what i see when i read that
2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on
though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad ;)
I think the pole & brush are the one (or two) pieces of equipment you shouldn’t skimp on matt, that’s the money earning equipment, people are posting about Brodex aluminium pole now, but the reason is the price of the pole, if a carbon fibre was the same price how many would buy the aluminium pole?
Fair enough you can pretty much do the rest of the system yourself, especially if you have a static water production set up and have a basic (Pure freedom system) without the fancy trimmings all for a couple of grand.
i agree Ewan
BUT i also think that the lightness of the fishing pole makes it 2nd to none for me
My brush is a trimmed down Vikan, a outstanding brush
so even though the price of them are low, the quality hasnt been skimped on
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I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job :o I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.
do you know what i see when i read that
2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on
though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad ;)
I think the pole & brush are the one (or two) pieces of equipment you shouldn’t skimp on matt, that’s the money earning equipment, people are posting about Brodex aluminium pole now, but the reason is the price of the pole, if a carbon fibre was the same price how many would buy the aluminium pole?
Fair enough you can pretty much do the rest of the system yourself, especially if you have a static water production set up and have a basic (Pure freedom system) without the fancy trimmings all for a couple of grand.
i agree Ewan
BUT i also think that the lightness of the fishing pole makes it 2nd to none for me
My brush is a trimmed down Vikan, a outstanding brush
so even though the price of them are low, the quality hasnt been skimped on
matt do you have enough money for some more cream :P ;)
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I LOVE IONICS best quality system on the market amd the next system I buy will be another Ionics.
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the sales team have certainly convinced you ;D
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the sales team have certainly convinced you ;D
no chief I convinced me, and thats all the sales patter I need
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I LOVE IONICS best quality system on the market amd the next system I buy will be another Ionics.
Are you on commission stephen s? ;D
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2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
2 grand for transport to a glorified fun fare :(
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2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
2 grand for transport to a glorified fun fare :(
Sorry mate but you just sound jealous
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I've invested thousands in gutter cleaning equipment - sure it brings in the work but the last job I did actually cost me over £100 to do the job :o I had to invest in more poles to reach the gutters. In three years I have invested something like £2000 in poles alone. I think Matt invested £20 on poles. ......... So i'm not sure your ideas are always the right ones.
do you know what i see when i read that
2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
now i know people laugh at the cheapo pole, but i know what i would prefere to spend my 2 K on
though saying that Dave your poles are for your gutter vac and i am sure they will earn you a nice amount in the years to come, so its not all bad ;)
I think the pole & brush are the one (or two) pieces of equipment you shouldn’t skimp on matt, that’s the money earning equipment, people are posting about Brodex aluminium pole now, but the reason is the price of the pole, if a carbon fibre was the same price how many would buy the aluminium pole?
Fair enough you can pretty much do the rest of the system yourself, especially if you have a static water production set up and have a basic (Pure freedom system) without the fancy trimmings all for a couple of grand.
i agree Ewan
BUT i also think that the lightness of the fishing pole makes it 2nd to none for me
My brush is a trimmed down Vikan, a outstanding brush
so even though the price of them are low, the quality hasnt been skimped on
matt do you have enough money for some more cream :P ;)
argh, yes, very important ;)
funny enough we got some last trip to tesco's ;)
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2 K, now this weekend i have been pricing up flights to orlando for the end of this year, with BA they are 1900 quid for the 4 of us
2 grand for transport to a glorified fun fare :(
with the name cheap skate, i guess your some1 else on here just on the wind up
glorified fun fare, you have never been then ::)
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Sorry mate but you just sound jealous
When I was 6 or 7 I might have wanted to visit the centre of US culture ;D
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I think at the end of the day we duy what is important to us some what the biggest system to shine some are happy with home made I cannot believe this thread have gone on so long. This seam to get personal and devides us all so as far as I think is for me think and you to find out. I have read better threads on this forum, what awaste of time.The guy only wanted to sell his van.
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I think at the end of the day we duy what is important to us some what the biggest system to shine some are happy with home made I cannot believe this thread have gone on so long. This seam to get personal and devides us all so as far as I think is for me think and you to find out. I have read better threads on this forum, what awaste of time.The guy only wanted to sell his van.
Do what I do then, dont open the threads your not interested in, once ive read all i need to know just mark as read.
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Sorry forgot the smiley ;)
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Matt, i spend a fortune trying to achieve what you describe, i also put a great deal of thought and effort into it and read books on business and marketing- and yes i arrive at exactly the same place you are, known, liked, and trusted.
Remember Alex? I have no problems buying all his expensive stuff but when he showed pics he was working out of cars, used plastic hoselock reels(he used drip trays because his reels always leaked), and didn't even have a round management programme (He used cards).He said if it ain't broke why fix it.
So i spend money in the vanity that my theories are right (and they often aren't) and the likes of you and Alex who are very tight fisted and short sighted, like to save money in the vanity to prove your skinflint theories are correct.
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Each to their own I'm very comfortable with the amount of money i have spent, no were near the amounts that have been bantered about 30000 GRAND, The thing is i have seen some right old crap that is home made and I'm sure if you turned up on a commercial job looking like selwyn froggitt i don't think the facilities manager would be to impressed. Just today on a commercial job the governor of the facility came out and started asking about the system the poles, heath & safety and who i deal with in his organisation. No offence to any who make their own equipment but would it stand up in a court of law if there was an accident or damage due to equipment breaking? Hard to imagine but didn't it all get personal when a guy put pictures on here with his 80 foot pole. In a court of law a 50 quid home made pole that broke causing damage i think you are toast. And i will shortly be buying Ionics E3 70 foot pole as I'm getting more high commercial work and the cost is around £2000.
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Are you seriously suggesting that if someone had an accident with a bought pole the consequences would be less than with home-made?
If the equipment is safe then there would be no difference in the results.
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Yes mate that is exactly what I'm saying. You check it out, who says it safe to use on a public building you who made it or a factory made item that meets all manufacturing requirements. Your pubic liability probably would be void to.
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Yes mate that is exactly what I'm saying. You check it out, who says it safe to use on a public building you who made it or a factory made item that meets all manufacturing requirements. Your pubic liability probably would be void to.
i can see your arguement, though as in the past i think most would argue " fit for purpose " if you say you have used it for the past 2 years then it must be fit for purpose
BUT the same argument cannot be used for a system ( a tank and hose ) ? ? ? can it ? ? ? ? , thus why are they charging ALOT more money than you can buy the parts off the shelf and pay someone to fit it / ? ?
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Well Matt, the way i see it is the system fitted in the van is approved by thatcham so affects insurance as its a modification. So its goes on and on. We live in a blame society I'm not arguing i just say how i see it. I love this game and i love going to work knowing that the ton and half sitting behind me is not going to move in an accident. I know of a window cleaner who is wfp and trad, has a home made system a 1000 lt system on a pallet tide down with cargo straps :o i have seen it, he said to me he is not picking up any commercial only shops?
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Read the post again ..
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ok mate carry on ;)
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I did read it again and the only thing I can see that you are saying is “your public liability probably would be void”
Like wise you could have said “your public liability won’t be void”
Fact is if a manufacturer has sold similar poles without incident you will have to prove the pole itself is not fit for purpose, which is unlikely to happen because they are being used everyday, likewise if you made a pole it’s unique so it cancels itself out, you cant prove either way.
They will blame the operator; they can’t prosecute a pole, so it really doesn’t matter. Each incident or case will be judge on its own merits that’s the law and they wont just look at the pole!
its comes hard to agree with Ewan, but on this point i do agree
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I mean what is it? A tank full of purified water being sucked on by a pump and fed to a brush? It's a glorified screen wash system built on heavy duty lines! That bit is easy to make reliable. How long to source and build from scratch - a week or two tops if I go canvassing in between. I don't need bits of shiny aluminium and a "crippled man" logo thank you.
If I am going to spend 30K it would be paying myself and adult family to canvass and get business - not on some gearbox failing "big" shiny van that can't get on some of my custies drives and park down village lanes without blocking them. And certainly not lining somebody elses's pocket big time so they can pontificate about how their logo will get me work and have custies fawning all over me to beat a path to my door.
And I know that some get it on finance - sorry if I want a second mortgage of a grand a month for three years then I'll put it towards property thanks.
haha this is so true
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Vans worth £6k at a push
eh??
15000 miles ? 2007
where you buying vans as ill have one at that price ??!!
Its only a traffic I can pick a 54-55 plate for less than £4000
Matt
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Vans worth £6k at a push
eh??
15000 miles ? 2007
where you buying vans as ill have one at that price ??!!
Its only a traffic I can pick a 54-55 plate for less than £4000
Matt
With seriously high milage.
Chris
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Vans worth £6k at a push
eh??
15000 miles ? 2007
where you buying vans as ill have one at that price ??!!
Chris can I ask if the van is 2 years old, why has it only done 15K?
In my personal opinion, that would send alarm bells ringing in my head. nothing against you, just 15,000 miles in 2 years isnt much at all, and I would be asking myself why.
Matt
Its only a traffic I can pick a 54-55 plate for less than £4000
Matt
With seriously high milage.
Chris
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Sorry, the vans is almost 3 years old, 5,000miles per year?
I have done 5,000 from last october.
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My post was aimed at getting a 54-55 plate trafic for under 4k
any at this price would have average 130,000 miles on the clock.
Alarm bells are he bought the van expecting work to roll in which obviously it didnt,
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I have seen several here in Essex for £3699-£3999 mileage was between 40K and 60K
I took 2 of them out for a test drive, I am going for a Citreon relay now.
Matt
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My post was aimed at getting a 54-55 plate trafic for under 4k
any at this price would have average 130,000 miles on the clock.
Alarm bells are he bought the van expecting work to roll in which obviously it didnt,
in any business Chris you have to build it up.
Buying a new van and system wont get the phone ringing, delivering flyers getting your name in the paper, writing letters to councils and schools etc, its a constant job most of us have to do week in week out.
I have started my business all over again in Essex, it is picking up. but I am still dropping flyers and having ads in the paper. you need to get your name and phone number in as many houses as posible.
I personally wouldn't give up. you just need to put a little more effort in, I had forgotten how hard it is to build a round until I started up down here.
Best of luck
Matt
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My post was aimed at getting a 54-55 plate trafic for under 4k
any at this price would have average 130,000 miles on the clock.
Alarm bells are he bought the van expecting work to roll in which obviously it didnt,
in any business Chris you have to build it up.
Buying a new van and system wont get the phone ringing, delivering flyers getting your name in the paper, writing letters to councils and schools etc, its a constant job most of us have to do week in week out.
I have started my business all over again in Essex, it is picking up. but I am still dropping flyers and having ads in the paper. you need to get your name and phone number in as many houses as posible.
I personally wouldn't give up. you just need to put a little more effort in, I had forgotten how hard it is to build a round until I started up down here.
Best of luck
Matt
Sounds like your telling me how to do it lol ;D
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I built up several years ago, I was made redundant, didnt get that much money from it, just enough to pay my household bills for a month, and get basic traditional tools.
I had some flyers made up, 6 monjths down the line I had over 100 residential customers, I even employed guys a few years ago. I now employ one guy to cover the round up in Leicester and I am building my round up in Essex, I have currently 126 customers.
I have felt like throwing it all in numerous times, I pulled through it, and I am happy that I didnt throw the towel in.
Matt
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I built up several years ago, I was made redundant, didnt get that much money from it, just enough to pay my household bills for a month, and get basic traditional tools.
I had some flyers made up, 6 monjths down the line I had over 100 residential customers, I even employed guys a few years ago. I now employ one guy to cover the round up in Leicester and I am building my round up in Essex, I have currently 126 customers.
I have felt like throwing it all in numerous times, I pulled through it, and I am happy that I didnt throw the towel in.
Matt
Whats this in response too ???
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I thought you were jacking it in
Matt
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I thought you were jacking it in
Matt
Matt you been drinking ;D ;D
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Matt, i spend a fortune trying to achieve what you describe, i also put a great deal of thought and effort into it and read books on business and marketing- and yes i arrive at exactly the same place you are, known, liked, and trusted.
Remember Alex? I have no problems buying all his expensive stuff but when he showed pics he was working out of cars, used plastic hoselock reels(he used drip trays because his reels always leaked), and didn't even have a round management programme (He used cards).He said if it ain't broke why fix it.
So i spend money in the vanity that my theories are right (and they often aren't) and the likes of you and Alex who are very tight fisted and short sighted, like to save money in the vanity to prove your skinflint theories are correct.
your right
BUT will you continue to spend and spend on trying to achieve the impossible ( as you will allways strive for more ) ? ? ? ?
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Maybe.
I understand your way, but i felt i had to build a business fast, so i spent money to do it. alex is really a fishing pole guy like you, it's just that he's stuck flogging slx's.Poor chap. He never fancied a van mount much either and now they are saying he's trialing a system.What i am trying to say (badly) is that spending money is counter intuitive even to very bright guys like you and AG. But, to launch his products on here (ciu) with no exibition trade stand or fancy ads and then become an instant industry standard and number one catergory seller not only cost him nothing but smacks of genius .
As with all things there probably was a price- stress.We are such a lovable bunch ;D
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You can win contracts for big firms with an old car. I have done it.
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You can win contracts for big firms with an old car. I have done it.
does your car have a picture of a old man waving a walking stick though ? ? ?
that might be the deciding factor ;)
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Maybe.
I understand your way, but i felt i had to build a business fast, so i spent money to do it. alex is really a fishing pole guy like you, it's just that he's stuck flogging slx's.Poor chap. He never fancied a van mount much either and now they are saying he's trialing a system.What i am trying to say (badly) is that spending money is counter intuitive even to very bright guys like you and AG. But, to launch his products on here (ciu) with no exibition trade stand or fancy ads and then become an instant industry standard and number one catergory seller not only cost him nothing but smacks of genius .
I like Alex, he took a chance and tried to push the boundaries a little with lightweight poles, was he just following Jeff B with the fishing pole idea ? ? ? i know my opinion on that ;) but he took the chance and it now i guess a very wealthy man, good luck to him, he took the chance
i looked into selling systems, infact i had the web site and i did build a few for people to test the water ( search back long enough and you will see the posts in BST forum )
it was for people who didnt want to / couldnt be bothered to DIY it AND for people who had cars, it was based on a collapsible sack truck ( so it would fit behind a seat in a small car ( tested on my golf ) and the pump box was smaller fitted to the sack truck, 2 or 3 small gold cart batteries etc etc, it was based on the DIY site setup
they worked well, people would come to my house ( sometimes ) and i would give then a bit of a lesson, show them how it all worked, what part was what, if they had issue what to look for , i would also meet them half somewhere ( aslong as it was within 2 hours from me and they paid for my petrol and a coffee and cake in the service station
this was before andrew mccann and alex got in on the act, it was either ironics, brodex or peter F trolley, i am afraid the idea died because of time issue, i was spending my evenings making them ( when i wanted to be at home with my then little girl ) sometimes in life you have to prioritize life and as most know, my family time comes first
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Maybe.
I understand your way, but i felt i had to build a business fast, so i spent money to do it. alex is really a fishing pole guy like you, it's just that he's stuck flogging slx's.Poor chap. He never fancied a van mount much either and now they are saying he's trialing a system.What i am trying to say (badly) is that spending money is counter intuitive even to very bright guys like you and AG. But, to launch his products on here (ciu) with no exibition trade stand or fancy ads and then become an instant industry standard and number one catergory seller not only cost him nothing but smacks of genius .
As with all things there probably was a price- stress.We are such a lovable bunch ;D
Regarding Alex. G. That's because he LISTENED to what the industry needed & wanted. He took all veiws on board, added them to his own experience & knowlage, took the plunge & it paid off. He saw the oppertunity, saw the "others" stuck in their ruts & gave us industry leading products, all while the others were happy to keep taking our money for minimal, if any developement. Just look how the "others" have finaly started to cotton on.
Another two suppliers with modular poles, poles with shorter closed lengths, Brodex used to boast that their poles did not have removable sections so they wouldn't come apart- now they market that very feature.
Good on him. Kicked the butts of the big boys while they were sleeping! :D
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You can win contracts for big firms with an old car. I have done it.
Well obviously when you go to speak to 'management', they don't watch the car park do they? Its the guy they shake hands with that they take note of.
allegedly a certain system make installs a tracker in the systems, all 'management' have a program on the PC that tell them when 1 is in the car park, thus they know who to give the work to ::) ::) ::)
PS, the above isnt true, but dont tell them that, it might have been a selling point
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Heh, we did a ten page obituary thread on tosh's demise.
Glad that you are back.
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RW C you seem to be a very unhappy chappy Maybe its time to pull the lemon out. ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;D 8)
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Matt, that tracker software you refer to has been updated with version 2.0 which now has a red, yellow and orange "crippled man" logo instead of the old shades of blue - so if you haven't upgraded then the facilities manager will know you've arrived with an out of date system and cancel your contract forthwith!
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logo of a crippled man for wash and preach, brilliant imagery yet again.
i have to ask, where did you learn to write?(i am interested not being sarcastic)
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Matt, that tracker software you refer to has been updated with version 2.0 which now has a red, yellow and orange "crippled man" logo instead of the old shades of blue - so if you haven't upgraded then the facilities manager will know you've arrived with an out of date system and cancel your contract forthwith!
Nooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!
that will mean they will have to upgrade
or
will the salesman talk them into a new system in a new van, he will throw in a free pen :P
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logo of a crippled man for wash and preach, brilliant imagery yet again.
i have to ask, where did you learn to write?(i am interested not being sarcastic)
wash and preach ;D
Learn to write? Self taught really - building on my CSE Grade 1 English language from school! (That is the equivalent of a medium grade O level today :-[) ;D
Although I did a lot of selling of office typewriters and wordprocessors in the late 1980's/early 1990's to local government departments and solicitors and so went on Olivetti and IBM sales courses where "presentation" (correct spelling and grammar in my demonstrations, both written and spoken) was deemed important. And of course to "Queen Bee" head secretaries and personal assistants (and personnel assistants ;)) it was!
And as a jw I would give talks (from prepared notes) and read from the lectern - but most of their publications are in American English which I try to distinguish from British English. So I'm a bit anal as well.
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I've always liked the yanks scott fitzgerald, hemingway, catcher in the rye, breakfast at tiffanys,shane,love story,steven king etc.
Anyhow some of your posts remind me of john sullivan (scriptwriter only fools and horses).Who knows in a different life?
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I've always liked the yanks scott fitzgerald, hemingway, catcher in the rye, breakfast at tiffanys,shane,love story,steven king etc.
Anyhow some of your posts remind me of john sullivan (scriptwriter only fools and horses).Who knows in a different life?
Just revisited this, Slumps - you're too kind.
Funnily enough, although I watch Only Fools & Horses if I happen to be around it's never floated my boat like Dad's Army, Fawlty Towers and The Office which do. (Strange really because all three are completely different humour. Oh and of course Blackadder and The Thin Blue Line are faves too.)
I particularly like Dad's Army when Godfrey goes completely off the plot* and takes the platoon with him. e.g.
Capt Mainwaring: (conducting a training exercise) "And you Wilson - tuck your sleeves in man, set an example you look just like a Nancy Boy! Now - lead "B" section past the Marigold Tea Rooms and the "Rock Emporium" while I take "A" section and hold the Gaity Picture House against the enemy!"
Godfrey: "I do like the Marigiold Tea Rooms; they serve cakes almost as good as my sister Dorothy's upside-down-cakes!"
Pike: "I think the commissionaire at the Gaity looks just like Herr Hitler!"
(All laugh at Pike)
Walker: "Oh come on Pikey, Uncle Adolf isn't going to be stood on the cinema steps punching tickets; he's too busy invading Russia!"
Mainwaring: "No, Walker! Pike is quite right! That's just the sort of thing we need to be checking out. Corporal Jones - when we get there you ask for that man's papers!"
Pike: "See, see! I told you!"
(Cut to a shot of Walker rolling his eyes at Sgt Wilson who does the same while checking his fingernails)
Jones: "Shall I fix my bayonet sir! They don't like it uppem, sir ... and that commissionaire buys his groceries from Hodges ..."
Mainwaring: "No, no Jones - The Picture house is a good customer of the Swallowdale Bank and we don't want to ... hem hem ... cause a stir and damage morale do we?"
(Scene fades to a windswept pier with Pikey and Wilson looking warily over some sandbags)
Thats sort of thing.
*Talking of going off the plot; when will Gilesy remove this post?
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Funny though. ;D
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The funny thing is, I've no interest in Ionics sales waffle, but I saw Malc had posted last, so I thought it might be worth a laugh. I was right! ;D
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Well looking at ebay our man has had three offers and there are 8 days to go...
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I'm none too pleased I posted on this thread stating that Ionics carried out their tests as a sales exercise. And it has been removed. Either this is a Forum for people to speak equally or a manufacturer sponsored sales tool.
I stated previously that I used to work in sales and one way of selling systems/tools/whatever is to have them specified. I also stated that Ionics systems do work. But so do DIY systems. Someone who uses a couple of 5 tonne straps bolted thru the chassis of his van is not bodging.
Infact a number of posts supporting DIY have been removed from this thread, but all the posts advocatig Manufacturer installed systems left entire
Shame
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I'm none too pleased I posted on this thread stating that Ionics carried out their tests as a sales exercise. And it has been removed. Either this is a Forum for people to speak equally or a manufacturer sponsored sales tool.
dont take it personally sparklebright, 1 of the fanboys on here would have sent the link to them, they would have e.mail admin and the post would have just been deleted
its ok though, as most know its just a sales gimmick
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Cheers
I shall put the high horse back in it's stable ;D
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Cheers
I shall put the high horse back in it's stable ;D
give it a quick trot out for a while though ;)
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Cheers
I shall put the high horse back in it's stable ;D
give it a quick trot out for a while though ;)
And regularly please sparklebright and matt - these "Ooh! look at my professional system, you're rubbish for making your own" blowhards need the wind removing from their sails from time to time!
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Cheers
I shall put the high horse back in it's stable ;D
give it a quick trot out for a while though ;)
And regularly please sparklebright and matt - these "Ooh! look at my professional system, you're rubbish for making your own" blowhards need the wind removing from their sails from time to time!
oh ok i will
just because you have asked so nicely ;)